RudraPutra wrote: ....dear we have nothing to say with the actual purusharth of BK's...but there are certain things what BK's doing is completely wrong ....like they are doing cuttings in Murli,keeping themself away from having direct communication with PBKs.....no matter if they don't like to talk to us...but they should be loyal enough atleast with Murli ...why to do such blunders....
regarding purusharth....we all are doing the same on our own way....and hence flaws will be seen....but these type of deed... is questionable....
They are doing blunders because they are still purusharthis. As PBKs do blunders. About Murlis. Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers can question them for this. And AIVV can start supplying Murlis to all those who are interested in reading and churning it. AIVV has lots and lots of original Murlis. Even the old ones. Why cannot they do the service of Murlis. This will break the monopoly of BKWSU. And BKWSU cannot have copyright for Murlis. Who is stopping AIVV from doing the service of Murlis? Yes, I appreciate the service done by AIVV in publishing the Murli Khand books and giving them in their websites too. And I even appreciate the service of ex-1 in loading the earlier literature of Brahmakumaris (OM Mandali) on the forum.
I am being good for my own self. Just if we remember this, it will bring great change within us. And my bad deeds will harm me the most.
RudraPutra wrote: ...we PBKs i don't know if any time said that we don't believe jagdamba....we believe jagdamba with same personality...now this is misconception....there is no jagdamba other than the one whom you used to call.....instead if some Sisters take the responsibility,since jagdamba is not present,she is just a sahyogi of Baba....and nothing sort of thing that she is JAGDAMBA.....no....that is just a confusion created by one of the members of this forum....
If this is just a confusion created by one of the members of the forum, why cannot AIVV officially answer to the doubt and clear the matter once for all. I have written email to AIVV i.e.,
[email protected] twice. But I have not got any response uptill now. So what should the people think? Is it maunam sammati lakshanam. AIVV is not one person. IF it was a single person we would say that he/she is busy and cannot answer to all. Even Arjun could have got the official reply and mentioned it here. So, I once again ask? Who is jagadamba according to AIVV (not according to you) now?
RudraPutra wrote: where is the Father now...."Father kahe aur bachchon se Father mile nahi;yeh ho nahi sakta"....show me where the Father is now?....no matter whats your base for proving a particular person as Father...just tell me where is your Father????
...once you had accepted yourself as Father...so is it proved you are the one?...
....Shiv is aadi madhya ant ko jan ne waala.....he emerges the children and speaks Vani....that's it....
Father is the one who plays the role of Father....he never shouts or scream that he is Father.....it's upto children to believe...
RudraPutra wrote: ...why this not applicable to you.....once you believed Baba as the original one....then you rejected him.....once you came with conclusion that you are Prajapita....then you denied....
...no this is not applicable for us....we believe Baba as the one who is the original role of ShivBaba.....you don't believe neither him and nor do have any proof of the ShivBaba's part other than Baba...might be one day you will again come to point that you are ShivBaba...
fine....you have your way and we will follow what we believe....
ShivBaba was not screaming through Dada Lekharaj when it was said that He is the Supreme Father of all souls. But yes, we can hear the screaming of Virendra Dev Dixit in his audio cassettes. Please here them, if you have them.
Surely, now is the time when The GodFAther will be proved. Not theoratically, but through practical deeds. So, now there is no need to worry about Who He is. He is doing His Divine Work. And will get proved automatically. Because in the end times no one will come forward to take the responsbility, because they do not have the capacity. The GodFather will take the responsibilty and transform the world. Children just need to shed their robes of ego. And they will experience Him and recognise Him.
RudraPutra wrote: even the Brahmin world is full of mixtures.....children are not only of one dharma.....there are many such childrens who have skin of other religion too.....so its practically impractical.....yes time will come when whole world will accept the Father and the Father will also accept the things.....but now when he is playing a role of being covert....how he can claim himself being Father?
ShivBaba is Father of all souls. He does not make difference among them. All are Shudras of Kaliyug. But still He sees them as souls in their original pure and peaceful form. Prajapita does difference. Prajapita is also Father of all human souls. So, he too will not try to keep some as untouchables. But in Murlis, there are two things said about Prajapita. Once it is said that Prajapita is Father of all human souls. And once it is said as he is Father of Bharatwasis. That needs to be churned and understood.
RudraPutra wrote: i have cleared this earlier too....we never said that Dada Lekhraj is chaitanya Gita.....how come you get such type of conclusions?...
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Following is part of Q and A between Shivsena and Arjun in that post.
shivsena wrote: Where is the mother in PBK family now???...without the mother can any family be called family....there is no pravriti marg in PBKs now, it is just "nivriti marg".
arjun wrote: Mother is present through the body of Prajapita in the form of the soul of Brahma. This is the memorial of Ardhanaareeshwar.
shivsena wrote:And what about the corporeal mother jagdamba who left the corporeal Father !! Is she no longer the mother of PBKs !!! If the Father is corporeal, then mother should also be corporeal..is it not?? ...How can Father be corporeal and mother Brahma be avaykt???
arjun wrote: Even through the corporeal mother Jagdamba it is the soul of Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) who plays the role of World Mother.
PBKs better decide amongst themselves, what is the correct version of AIVV.
RudraPutra wrote: more over when Baba came,Dada Lekhraj had left his body....challenges are proved practically....Dada Lekhraj is not present at all....then whom to challenge....???
This is a new thing I am hearing. Does Virendra Dev Dixit wants to challenge Dada Lekharaj? Just hear Virendra Dev Dixit's earlier audio cassettes, where he used to say that the same soul of Dada Lekharaj enters into some Brahmin child and plays the part of Adi Dev. And that brahmin child he hinted, was himself. Later he started even calling himslef as Param Atma. It is left to him, he can call himslef whatever he likes. No problem for me.
I just want to say that instead of screaming (he literally screamed. Just hear the earlier audio cassettes) for years, Virendra Dev Dixit could have peacefully said and accepted that he is Prajapita and Supreme Soul Shiv is playing The part of GodFather through him. Why worry about the world, whether the public will accept it or not?
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Sanjeev.