Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

[shivsena]

A genuine query to all pbk brothers.

In almost all the Murlis narrated before 1965(before Mama became avaykt)the words "BapDada" and "ShivBaba" were hardly mentioned...while most times the words "parampita paramatma" were used to denote the supreme power.

Then from 1965 to 1969 in Sakar Murlis all the above three were repeated quite often.... and after 1969, in avaykt Vanis the word "BapDada" is most frequently used than the other two.

Can any pbk please give his views of the above three words or phrases....are they synonymous ??... and why "BapDada" and "ShivBaba" were hardly ever mentioned before 1965.

shivsena.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. The meaning of the above words has been mentioned several times from the PBK point of view on this forum. The above member is free to have his own interpretations of these words.
OGS,
Arjun

[shivsena]

Om Shanti. The meaning of the above words has been mentioned several times from the PBK point of view on this forum. The above member is free to have his own interpretations of these words.Arjun

What is wrong in having a repetition of some important words for the sake of new comers who may not have read the previous views.

The following words are used in Murlis and Vanis frequently:
Bhagwan.
Ishwar.
GodFather.
Parampita paramatma.
ShivBaba.
Ruhani Bap(Father).
BapDada.
Mat-pita.
Alaf.

Do all the above words mean the same???
BKs and PBKs define them differently.

Can bk- and PBKs please share their views about the above.
shivsena.

[arjun]

What is wrong in having a repetition of some important words for the sake of new comers who may not have read the previous views.

Sorry.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murli 16-6-04 says: "Krishna toh deh-dhari hai, videhi toh Ek ShivBaba hai."
[meaning" Krishna is a bodily being, bodyless is one ShivBaba."]

The above point clearly describes ShivBaba as videhi(one who has no body) and AK defines ShivBaba as combination of shiv+dehdhari prajapita Ram(nirakaar+Sakar).

The two teachings directly contradict each other....so which is to be followed ???
shivsena.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. ShivBaba being videhi (bodiless) means that he does not have the consciousness of the body despite having a body. It does not mean that he doesn't have a body.

[shivsena]

Om Shanti. ShivBaba being videhi (bodiless) means that he does not have the consciousness of the body despite having a body. It does not mean that he doesn't have a body.

In Bhakti-marg, there is a proper name of a person "Vaidehi"...and this name is always given to a female and never to a male...the word "Vaidehi" literally means one ''without a body'' and this is in rememberence of Sangamyug where the words "videhi ShivBaba" from Murlis means ''videhi no. 1 shiv-shakti''.(who has become karmatit and has no physical body of her own)....it does not refer to shiv-bindi who has never taken a body at all ....this is my view.

[Sach_Khand]

In Bhakti-marg, there is a proper name of a person "Vaidehi"...and this name is always given to a female and never to a male...the word "Vaidehi" literally means one ''without a body'' and this is in rememberence of Sangamyug where the words "videhi ShivBaba" from Murlis means ''videhi no. 1 Shiv-shakti''.(who has become karmatit and has no physical body of her own)....it does not refer to Shiv-bindi who has never taken a body at all ....this is my view.

As per my knowledge, Vaidehi is said about Sita.
But if you read in Murlis Sita is spoken for someone other than Shiv.
The one who is child as well as Banni of Shiv.
What about Shiv? The Trimurti Shiv Bhagawan. The One who has Trimurti (i.e., sukshmavatanwasi Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar) as His office staff.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

As per my knowledge, Vaidehi is said about Sita.
Sanjeev.

Name Meaning and Origin of Vaidehi(from google search)

The baby name Vaidehi is Sanskrit in origin and it's meaning is princess of Videha (janak).
Vaidehi is another name for Sita.
Vaidehi is pronounced vai-de-hi.
Vaidehi is a name suitable for girls.
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Dear sanjeev Bhai.

You are right that vaidehi is another name for sita (daughter of raja janak )

In Murlis it is said that "paramatma hai Ram, baki sab atma sita hai"...so who are these souls who are sita ???....Ram ki sacchi sita are only 108 souls who first identify videhi Ramshivbaba(Mama) and by continous rememberence of Ramshivbaba(no. 1 shiv-shakti ) they attain the karmatit stage (videhi stage) and become numberwise shiv-shaktis(vaidehi).

Without identifying videhi Ramshivbaba(Mama) no one can become Ram ki sacchi sacchi sita and attain the karmatit awastha.... if one has to come in 108 one has to think himself/herself as shivshakti(sita-female) and remember the no. 1 shivshakti Mama Saraswati as personified form of ShivBaba.

This gives rise to a very important topic to discuss, about how to have sarva-sambandh with ShivBaba.(which i feel everybody knows in theory but has been seldom discussed, as to how to go about it in practical.)

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

In Murlis it is said that "paramatma hai Ram, baki sab atma sita hai"...so who are these souls who are sita ???...

But no. 1 has to be only one soul. And this no. 1 Sita is said to be the banni of Shiv, and is also His child. So, Who is This Trimurti Shiv Bhagwan, The Banna of no. 1 Sita. Who is That One?

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

But no. 1 has to be only one soul. And this no. 1 Sita is said to be the banni of Shiv, and is also His child. So, Who is This Trimurti Shiv Bhagwan, The Banna of no. 1 Sita. Who is That One?
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev Bhai.

I think Ram parampita paramatma is Mama jagdamba(shiv+ no. 1 soul combined ie shivshakti) and all 108 are numberwise sita(shivshakti) who attain the karmatit stage by rememberence of no. 1 soul (who has already attained the karmatit farishta stage).

Trimurti shiv bhagwan is the collective name given to the 3 acts performed by the same soul no 1 shivshakti when she performs the role of creator-operator-destroyer.

Confusion starts with BKs, who believe in one physical murti as brahma(DL) in samgamyug and Vishnu is in Satyug and that Shankar is an imaginary character ....while PBKs believe that shiv requires 3 physical murtis to reveal himself....whereas in outside Bhakti-marg(which is a rememberence of Gyan marg) Brahma-Vishnu-Shankar are the names given to 3 subtle deities (not to 3 different persons)....true Gyan-marg does not teach duality or multiplicity.....it teaches different manifestations of the same personality ie. personified ShivBaba (Murli point: "ShivBaba hai bahu-roopi")

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Trimurti Shiv bhagwan is the collective name given to the 3 acts performed by the same soul no 1 shivshakti when she performs the role of creator-operator-destroyer.

In my opinion, there are three subtle deities in Sangamyug who do not have their own physical gross body in this world. And Shiv is the soul of Dada Lekharaj who remains in bindi swaroop throughout Sangamyug not even attached with the subtle or any kind of bodies. And This Shiv has the three subtle deities BVS as His assosciates to run the affairs of this universe. And Mama Saraswati is the representative of That Shiv in this world and is running the show of this world of BKs and the world in general to bring about the transformation. And this Swaroop of Mama is recognised as God, The Parent (Combined form of Maat_Pita) but The God still remains unrecognised for almost all except the Eight. Apne Aap sab kuch karke apne aap chhupaaya.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

And Mama Saraswati is the representative of That Shiv in this world and is running the show of this world of BKs and the world in general to bring about the transformation. And this Swaroop of Mama is recognised as God, The Parent (Combined form of Maat_Pita) but The God still remains unrecognised for almost all except the Eight. Apne Aap sab kuch karke apne aap chhupaaya. Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev Bhai.
This is exactly what i believe and this is what i wish to propagate on the forum and personally to those PBKs who come to my house for a discussion.
Mother is GOD and GOD is mother.
[Murli point: "vande matram hai toh vande pitram saath mein hai hi "]

[Sach_Khand]

Mother is GOD and GOD is mother.
[Murli point: "vande matram hai toh vande pitram saath mein hai hi "]

In Murlis it is said that God is Father, but people call Him as Mother-Father. How GOD, The Father, becomes Mother needs to be understood.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

In Murlis it is said that God is Father, but people call Him as Mother-Father. How GOD, The Father, becomes Mother needs to be understood.
Sanjeev.

In Murlis it is said: "ShivBaba mat-pita kaise bante hain yeh kissi ko nahin maloom.[meaning: "how ShivBaba becomes mother-Father nobody knows."]

In lokik life also, it is mother who tells the children who is the Father....but Ak it is the reverse. (Father tells the children who is mother jagdamba in 1982-83 and then after twenty years mother leaves the Father.)

shivsena.