Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
In lokik life also, it is mother who tells the children who is the Father....but Ak it is the reverse. (Father tells the children who is mother jagdamba in 1982-83 and then after twenty years mother leaves the Father.)

In lokik life, mothers give birth to children physically, thus the bond is formed naturally. In the brahmin world, children are born intellectually and the intellect can fluctuate according to the influnece of the company. Also it is said in SM that "Father adopted mother" -- so it is common only for the Father to give mother's introduction. For mother to leave Father is only when Maya attacks her as it is said that Maya doesn't leave anyone, so Maya gets the title of Almighty.

indie.

[shivsena]

. Also it is said in SM that "Father adopted mother" -- so it is common only for the Father to give mother's introduction.
indie.

Can you please specify "which Father adopts which mother" ??

[arjun]

Dear roy Bhai.

First of all, let us all be clear whether we are here on this forum to play a game and to see who wins or looses...or we are here to exchange our views to become more wiser !!!!....imo, we all are here on this forum, as per drama plan, to exchange our views about the Godly knowledge given in Murlis and how it is interpreted differently causing confusion and splitting the family into various groups.....what is required is to have a healthy exchange of views and if two souls do not agree, then both have to agree to dis-agree (without being dis-agreeable) and then move on to the next point....problems arises when the subtle ego comes in and then sparks fly and things go out of hand.....we are already playing a bigger game (solving the mystery of the creator and his creation) given in Murlis, and we still do not know ''who is who'' even after 70 years of study.....and we want to play a game on this forum and see who is playing fairly or not....i think this is not an important issue ... let us resume our healthy discussion of Murli points to enable us collectively to solve the mystery about ''who is ALAF''.

In Murlis it is said: "ShivBaba mat-pita kaise bante hain yeh kissi ko nahin maloom.[meaning: "how ShivBaba becomes mother-Father nobody knows."]

In lokik life also, it is mother who tells the children who is the Father....but Ak it is the reverse. (Father tells the children who is mother jagdamba in 1982-83 and then after twenty years mother leaves the Father.)

The above mentioned first quote of shivsena Bhai was a delayed well thought over reply in response to roy Bhai's observations that shivsena Bhai was being unfair to PBKs. But in his response shivsena Bhai has presented himself as a completely innocent unbiased person who is just interested in exchange of knowledge and nothing else.

But the above mentioned second post was shivsena Bhai's reply in response to sachkhand's query regarding God playing the role of a mother. No PBKs were involved in that; nor was sachkhand Bhai raising anything related to PBKs. But shivsena Bhai, purely in order to defame the PBKs did not miss the oppurtunity to defame the mother of PBKs. The comment on PBKs mother was completely unrelated to the topic and was totally unwarranted. This goes on to prove that his claims of being fair and unbiased are completely baseless.

[pbkindiana]

Dear Arjun Bhai,

I agree with you completely that his postings are meant to defame the PBKs and that Shivsena is trying to dominate this forum in propagating his views. I have also observed that whoever supports his views is given leniency for eg. when you are being referred as a rascal by another member, shivsena as the administrator of this forum closes one eye and did not take any actions as what he did to Andrey Bhai. As the administrator of this forum, he should have taken actions for anyone who uses abusive words. This itself shows that he does not deliver fair judgement to the members of this forum. It can be observed that shivsena has a tendency to show favour towards anyone whose postings goes in parallel to his views.

indie.

[arjun]

I agree with you completely that his postings are meant to defame the PBKs and that Shivsena is trying to dominate this forum in propagating his views. I have also observed that whoever supports his views is given leniency for eg. when you are being referred as a rascal by another member, shivsena as the administrator of this forum closes one eye and did not take any actions as what he did to Andrey Bhai. As the administrator of this forum, he should have taken actions for anyone who uses abusive words. This itself shows that he does not deliver fair judgement to the members of this forum. It can be observed that shivsena has a tendency to show favour towards anyone whose postings goes in parallel to his views.

We can only observe others as saakshi (detached observers). Everyone is responsible for his/her actions.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear Arjun Bhai,

I agree with you completely that his postings are meant to defame the PBKs and that Shivsena is trying to dominate this forum in propagating his views. I have also observed that whoever supports his views is given leniency for eg. when you are being referred as a rascal by another member, shivsena as the administrator of this forum closes one eye and did not take any actions as what he did to Andrey Bhai. As the administrator of this forum, he should have taken actions for anyone who uses abusive words. This itself shows that he does not deliver fair judgement to the members of this forum. It can be observed that shivsena has a tendency to show favour towards anyone whose postings goes in parallel to his views.

indie.

Stop playing double games yourselves. Just writing nice words will not help in the end with all dirty emtions against others within.
When I called Arjun RASCAL, I mean it. And he has proved himself in the next replies to me in that post. Misheiviously and purposely misquoting others is being rascal.

And there is no need to write so Shivsena that he takes my sides. I and Shivsena differ in our viewpoints about Shiv. And even regarding Virendra Dev Dixit our views differ. I regard Virendra Dev Dixit as part of Ravan whereas Shivsena considers Virendra Dev Dixit as Bharat or child Krishna. But, yes he takes my side, I suppose in proving AK as wrong. Here too I differ in the sense that not all what Virendra Dev Dixit has said is totally wrong. Ravan was a great scholar but did not recognise Ram, the ParaBrahma in the Peronified form, as The GodFather. Probably due to his unlawful attraction for Sita. Which is actually sin.

I have seen how the so called PBKs and some others who show themselves to be very genuine seekers here take sides and support one another against someone. And therefore fist correct yourselves.

I too am fed up with hypocrisy shown by many in this forum. And so ask Shivsena, the admin, to ban me from this forum. No regret calling Arjun as RASCAL.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

But shivsena Bhai, purely in order to defame the PBKs did not miss the oppurtunity to defame the mother of PBKs. The comment on PBKs mother was completely unrelated to the topic and was totally unwarranted.

I have to keep on reminding all those who believe that DL played the mother and then there was another mother in pbk fold who was proclaimed as jagdamba and this mother then left the Yagya and returned to lokik life,and then DL sill continues to play the mother in VD (and interfering in shiv's clarifications) and that he is the real jagdamba(according to few PBKs) and playing part in both VD and kamla devi.... and after kamla devi (mother) left, there is a locum(substitute) mother who is now taking care of new PBKs and there is yet another mother(choti Maa) who is finally going to come and end all this confusion and friction between the BKs-PBKs and ex-PBKs.....all this keeps one wondering how many mothers are there and why so many mothers are needed at all ( as in lokik life we all have one mother who provides us everything we need.)....and finally the real jagdamba(Mama--world mother according to BKs) is not discussed at all by PBKs nor by Baba Dixit.

BTW, how am i defaming the mother by telling a fact about mother of PBKs...everyone knows about it and there is no untruth in it ....also i am in regular contact with her on phone and if she felt that i am defaming either her or Baba Dixit, then she would not talk to me, at length on phone.

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

sach_khand:
And so ask Shivsena, the admin, to ban me from this forum.

wise decision.

indie.

[Sach_Khand]

wise decision.
indie.

Wise, but painful. Momentary pain, not serious. But, it is good to be outside rather than be a part of some hypocrites here.
Some try to act too smart meddling in else' affairs not at all concerned to them.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[arjun]

BTW, how am i defaming the mother by telling a fact about mother of PBKs

You have been doing this and you can continue to do so as long as you wish. My objection was only to the fact that you brought this topic while sachkhand was discussing something else. Now let us end this issue here. You are the boss on this forum.

[shivsena]

My objection was only to the fact that you brought this topic while sachkhand was discussing something else.

Sachkhand brought the topic of Father-mother and so i thought it appropriate to compare the beliefs of Father-mother of AK as well. There was no intention whatsoever to defame the mother of PBKs.

[arjun]

There was no intention whatsoever to defame the mother of PBKs.

People can understand your intentions very well. ;-)

also i am in regular contact with her on phone and if she felt that i am defaming either her or Baba Dixit, then she would not talk to me, at length on phone.

God alone knows how much truth about yourself and about your writings on this forum you convey to her.

[shivsena]

People can understand your intentions very well. ;-)

My intention is to point out the ambiguities in AK wherever possible and to make the BKs-PBKs aware that Mama-jagdamba is no . 1 shivshakti ( the personified roop of Shiva.)

God alone knows how much truth about yourself and about your writings on this forum you convey to her.

I just express my churnings and it is upto her to decide what she wants to accept.....i never tell anyone that i am telling the truth....i just tell them that after studying the Murlis/Vanis and tallying the Bhakti-scriptures, these are my churnings.

[arjun]

My intention is to point out the ambiguities in AK wherever possible and to make the BKs-PBKs aware that Mama-jagdamba is no . 1 shivshakti ( the personified roop of Shiva.)

When Mama herself does not have a personal body anymore, how can she be termed the personified form of Shiv? The word 'personified' itself points to the fact that the no.1 soul should have a body of its own through which the supreme attributes of Supreme Father Shiv could be displayed. When Mama does not have a body of her own and is dependent on someone else for revelation, how can she make others independent and give them the inheritance of mukti and jeevanmukti?

[shivsena]

When Mama herself does not have a personal body anymore, how can she be termed the personified form of Shiv?

That is the beauty of this wonderful drama and how parts get seperated.

6 billion souls of outside world do not have an eye for bk knowledge and the first Chariot ( so 9 lacs get seperated)....then 9 lacs will not have an eye for pbk knowledge of the second Chariot( so 16000 get seperated) ....and finally the 16000 will not have an eye to see the yartharth roop of ShivBaba in the form of shivshakti (which only 108 will be able to see)....and that is when the words of Murlis will come true (" koto mein koi, aur koi mein bh koi hi, mere yartharth roop ko janenge")...(meaning: "only one out of 10 million and among them also some rare soul will know my personified form")...and that figure when calculated comes to around 108.
Av. Vani says: "subtle selection machinery is seperating the souls" ( but very few souls will have the eye to see how this subtle machinery works.)