Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
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Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Some of the PBK members are very efficient at giving philosophical explanation to every non sense uttered by Virendra Dev Dixit. But they are unable to answer simple questions like - why Hindi?
Why everyone should learn Hindi?
Why Virendra Dev Dixit is unable to learn any other language?
Why all the non Hindi speaking population is condemned for Hell just because they do not know Hindi?
When Virendra Dev Dixit with his so called failed in Phd qualifications, cannot even learn a few words in English or any other language except a few words in Gujarati; how is he expecting every unschooled non-Hindi speaking women to become experts in Hindi?
Already Arjun attempted an apology for an answer telling that as Hindi speaking people are more in India, every one has to learn Hindi. It is like Hitler telling that as German speaking people are more in Europe, every Jew should be killed. He also succeeded in killing millions of them!
Is there some vocal PBKs who are good in doing futile research into wasteful topics, interesting in inventing more funny answers?
Wait- there are many more unanswered questions coming your way. Do not go into panic mode yet! There is a lot of time to panic later! Now use your energy efficiently!
Satya.
Why everyone should learn Hindi?
Why Virendra Dev Dixit is unable to learn any other language?
Why all the non Hindi speaking population is condemned for Hell just because they do not know Hindi?
When Virendra Dev Dixit with his so called failed in Phd qualifications, cannot even learn a few words in English or any other language except a few words in Gujarati; how is he expecting every unschooled non-Hindi speaking women to become experts in Hindi?
Already Arjun attempted an apology for an answer telling that as Hindi speaking people are more in India, every one has to learn Hindi. It is like Hitler telling that as German speaking people are more in Europe, every Jew should be killed. He also succeeded in killing millions of them!
Is there some vocal PBKs who are good in doing futile research into wasteful topics, interesting in inventing more funny answers?
Wait- there are many more unanswered questions coming your way. Do not go into panic mode yet! There is a lot of time to panic later! Now use your energy efficiently!
Satya.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Dear brother satya,
We are taking time to answer, you have to respect that. I don't know why you intend to panic us.
Hindi is said to be very easy languange and in few months one can easlily learn it. Language is only means to tranlsate information, and the information is essential. You are again rushing to conclusions and baseless accusations that you say that Baba says one should learn Hindi, because he is dull and cannot learn other languages. The fact is that anyone is able to convey his ideas best in his own mother tongue and so because the mother tongue of this Baba is Hindi, so he speaks in Hindi.
Just in order to satisfy your demand i'm not sure that it would be appropriate that he takes time to learn all other languages so that he can convey his ideas like this to all souls. Learning a language takes time for everyone. This study also takes time, and because the study is going on in Hindi, so for the one willing to learn, it would be better to know Hindi.
Anyway every possible convenience for those non-Hindi speaking are there, translations so that no one feels neglected. There are also many examples of people lerning Hindi just through listening to the vcds. Here you may even find the educational purspose of these vcds that you like to trash.
Please, just take the practical side. Is it possible for Baba to learn all the languages so that the message can reach all souls. It is much more easy that those knowing other languages make translation, but for those who like to go into depth, for them there is the need to learn the source language. It is like reading a novel in its original language or translated.
I don't know why are you obsessed with this doom that you say that all non-Hindi speaking people are to die etc. i think you have, you receive very twisted information or you deliberately twist it. All non-Hindi speaking are not doomed. it is not a matter of any external sign of who is doomed and who is not. The language matter comes with the study matter. Any person coming to study can receive knowledge, if there is someone who can explain in his own language it is explained in his own language, if not one can be explained in some language he knows, like English, that many people know. it is said that we have to learn all languages so that we can explain to everyone, but it is difficult for one person to know all languages. One person can become proficient in one-two languages. So this baba is becoming proficient in giving his speeches in Hindi and others may translate this.
Language has been a matter of quarrel since centuries and you seem to be having this habit that you like to quarrel over the matter of language. With the hope that i may answer many more questions you may have with just one answer i will tell you that according to my own personal observations i can assure you that no one is forced to do anything, nothing is required out of him, everything is voluntary. If you don't like or you cannot learn Hindi it does not mean you are doomed, some way or other there will be the possibility that you learn in your language or in English etc, but of course if one is willing to go into depth it would be better if one knows the source language
There are many people that know many languages, so what, it depends on how you use the language, what do you say in it. If you speak nonsense or don't have anything to say it will be the same in all languages. I have always aprechiated that Baba speaks in very simple language, so that it is easy to understand. Language is a way for communication, but it can also become a barrier, when the demonstration of extra-intellectuality and usage of unpopular words and terminology takes place. But if we study some subject we learn the terminology of it, the language of it. This study also has its own terminology and the terms are in Hindi or English, like atma or soul, parmatma or Supreme Soul etc, drama etc.
You can see that these are all very logical answers and explantions to your query, but still, just because your intention is to create havoc, so they would most-probably not serve your purpose. I guess you will not take anything that has been said to discuss, but i hope i may be wrong.
We are taking time to answer, you have to respect that. I don't know why you intend to panic us.
Hindi is said to be very easy languange and in few months one can easlily learn it. Language is only means to tranlsate information, and the information is essential. You are again rushing to conclusions and baseless accusations that you say that Baba says one should learn Hindi, because he is dull and cannot learn other languages. The fact is that anyone is able to convey his ideas best in his own mother tongue and so because the mother tongue of this Baba is Hindi, so he speaks in Hindi.
Just in order to satisfy your demand i'm not sure that it would be appropriate that he takes time to learn all other languages so that he can convey his ideas like this to all souls. Learning a language takes time for everyone. This study also takes time, and because the study is going on in Hindi, so for the one willing to learn, it would be better to know Hindi.
Anyway every possible convenience for those non-Hindi speaking are there, translations so that no one feels neglected. There are also many examples of people lerning Hindi just through listening to the vcds. Here you may even find the educational purspose of these vcds that you like to trash.
Please, just take the practical side. Is it possible for Baba to learn all the languages so that the message can reach all souls. It is much more easy that those knowing other languages make translation, but for those who like to go into depth, for them there is the need to learn the source language. It is like reading a novel in its original language or translated.
I don't know why are you obsessed with this doom that you say that all non-Hindi speaking people are to die etc. i think you have, you receive very twisted information or you deliberately twist it. All non-Hindi speaking are not doomed. it is not a matter of any external sign of who is doomed and who is not. The language matter comes with the study matter. Any person coming to study can receive knowledge, if there is someone who can explain in his own language it is explained in his own language, if not one can be explained in some language he knows, like English, that many people know. it is said that we have to learn all languages so that we can explain to everyone, but it is difficult for one person to know all languages. One person can become proficient in one-two languages. So this baba is becoming proficient in giving his speeches in Hindi and others may translate this.
Language has been a matter of quarrel since centuries and you seem to be having this habit that you like to quarrel over the matter of language. With the hope that i may answer many more questions you may have with just one answer i will tell you that according to my own personal observations i can assure you that no one is forced to do anything, nothing is required out of him, everything is voluntary. If you don't like or you cannot learn Hindi it does not mean you are doomed, some way or other there will be the possibility that you learn in your language or in English etc, but of course if one is willing to go into depth it would be better if one knows the source language
There are many people that know many languages, so what, it depends on how you use the language, what do you say in it. If you speak nonsense or don't have anything to say it will be the same in all languages. I have always aprechiated that Baba speaks in very simple language, so that it is easy to understand. Language is a way for communication, but it can also become a barrier, when the demonstration of extra-intellectuality and usage of unpopular words and terminology takes place. But if we study some subject we learn the terminology of it, the language of it. This study also has its own terminology and the terms are in Hindi or English, like atma or soul, parmatma or Supreme Soul etc, drama etc.
You can see that these are all very logical answers and explantions to your query, but still, just because your intention is to create havoc, so they would most-probably not serve your purpose. I guess you will not take anything that has been said to discuss, but i hope i may be wrong.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Satyaprakash Bhai, I have never met Hitler, but after seeing the tone of your words, I can imagine how Hitler could be. Just as he wanted to wipe out jews from the face of the Earth, you are hell-bent upon wiping PBKs out from the face of the Earth. I wish you good luck. :Dsatyaprakash wrote:Already Arjun attempted an apology for an answer telling that as Hindi speaking people are more in India, every one has to learn Hindi. It is like Hitler telling that as German speaking people are more in Europe, every Jew should be killed. He also succeeded in killing millions of them!
As regards the so-called apology that you have mentioned, I don't remember tendering any such apology. Instead of spreading rumours (which you are expert at) you should try to quote the exact words just as I have quoted you. Otherwise, nobody will believe you. I have never said that just because more people speak Hindi in India everyone has to learn Hindi. I must have stated that just because most of the people understand and speak Hindi God has chosen this language. Well, nobody is forced to learn Hindi. If they do not want to learn Hindi to listen to God directly, they can still get the Godly knowledge in their own language with the help of translators.
OK, please answer me why Sanskrit was chosen as the language of Gita when the masses did not used to speak that language?
Sister, satyaprakash has never received any twisted information. It is his habit to deliberately twist it. In most probability it appears as if he is trying to malign the PBKs and Baba Virendra Dev Dixit because of some incidents in his life. May be some of his relatives are PBKs whom he has not been able to convince to leave the PBK fold and just because he is allowed by the Admin of this forum to use abusive language against PBKs on this forum, he is venting all his anger on PBKs through this forum. Let him do his job. Let him get satisfaction and happiness by abusing the PBKs. :cool:Sita wrote:i think you have, you receive very twisted information or you deliberately twist it. All non-Hindi speaking are not doomed.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
"अभी क्रिसमस में क्राइस्ट का कितना मनाते हैं। हम जानते हैं कि इस समय सब पतित हैं। कहते हैं गॉड फादर, उनको पुकारते हैं उन्हों को भी यह नॉलेज मिलेगी। बाबा तो कहते रहते हैं कि चित्र बनाओ तो विलायत में भी भेज दें। बेहद सृष्टि के कल्याण के लिए बुद्धि चलनी चाहिए। बाबा की बुद्धि चलती रहती है। इन चित्रों का कद्र बहुत थोड़ों को है। बाप ने दिव्य दृष्टि द्वारा यह बनाये हैं। कितना रिगार्ड होना चाहिए। परन्तु इतना रिगार्ड है नहीं। इनसे तो बहुत भारी फर्स्टक्लास सर्विस होती है। ड्रामा अनुसार कोई निकलेंगे जो चित्र आदि बनायेंगे। आगे चलकर ऐसे बुद्धिवान निकलेंगे जो देखते दिल खुश हो जाये। अग्रेजी तो सब तरफ फैली हुई है। भाषायें कितनी ढ़ेर हैं। सब देशों में अंग्रेजी वाले जरूर होंगे। इसलिए बाबा भी अंग्रेजी हिन्दी उठाते हैं। आखरीन सब भाषाओं में निकलेगा। किसको भी समझाना है बहुत सहज। परन्तु देखा जाता है किसकी बुद्धि में नहीं बैठता तो वह क्या काम करेंगे। धन है और दान नहीं करते हैं तो उनको मनहूस कहा जाता है। एक कान से सुनते हैं, दूसरे से निकाल देते हैं।" (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक ०१.१२.०७, पृ.३ एवं ४)
“Now Christ is glorified so much on Christmas. We know that now everyone is sinful. They say God Father; They call Him. They will also get this knowledge. Baba keeps telling that the pictures should be prepared so that they could be sent to the foreign countries also. One should use the intellect to cause benefit to the unlimited world. Baba’s intellect keeps working. Very few give value to these pictures. The Father has prepared these pictures through visions. One must have so much regard. But they do not have that much regard. Great firstclass service takes place through these pictures. As per drama someone will emerge who will prepare pictures, etc. In future such intelligent ones would emerge that one will become happy just by seeing them. English is popular everywhere. There are so many languages. There will be people knowing English in all the countries. That is why Baba also uses English and Hindi. Ultimately it will come out in all the languages. It is very easy to explain to anyone. But it is observed that if it does not fit into anybody’s intellect then what kind of a task will they accomplish? If someone possesses wealth, and does not donate it, then they would be called ominous. They listen through one ear and leave it through the other." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 01.12.07, pg 3&4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“अभी तो देखो अनेक भाषाएं हैं। अगर संस्कृत भाषा शुरू करें तो इतने यह सब कैसे समझें। आजकल गीता संस्कृत में कण्ठ करा देते हैं। बहुत अच्छी गीता गाते हैं संस्कृत में। अब अहिल्यायें, कुब्जायें, अबलायें....संस्कृत कहाँ जानती। हिन्दी भाषा तो कॉमन है। हिन्दी का प्रचार जास्ती है। भगवान भी हिन्दी में सुना रहे हैं। वह तो गीता के अध्याय बतलाते हैं, इनके अध्याय कैसे बना सकेंगे। यह तो शुरू से लेकर मुरली चलती रहती है।” (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २२.०२.०८, पृ.२)
“Look, now there are so many languages. If we start using Sanskrit language, then how can all these (people) understand? Now a days they learn Sanskrit Gita by heart. They sing Gita very nicely in Sanskrit. Well, do the Ahilyas, Kubjas, Ablaas....know Sanskrit? Hindi language is common. Hindi is very popular. God is also narrating in Hindi. They mention about the chapters of Gita, (but) how can we make chapters of this one (i.e. the Godly knowledge)? The Murlis are being narrated since the beginning.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.02.08, pg.2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“अब बैंगलोर, मद्रास के बच्चे बैठे हैं, उन्हों को फिर मद्रासी भाषा में कोई बैठ समझाये। हमारी भाषा तो हिन्दी है। कल्प पहले भी ऐसे समझाया होगा। कहेंगे भगवान सब भाषायें क्यों नहीं जानते। परन्तु ड्रामा में है नहीं। ड्रामा में होता तो मैं सब भाषाओं में भाषण करता। समझो भिन्न-भिन्न भाषाओं वाले बैठे हों तो क्या हम सब भाषाओं में बैठ बोलूंगा क्या? यह तो हो नहीं सकता। एक-दो को भी कहाँ तक सुनायेंगे। घमासान हो जाये। तो समझाना चाहिए बाबा ने कल्प पहले जिस भाषा में समझाया था उसी भाषा में ही समझाते हैं, इसलिए हिन्दी का जोर है। अंग्रेजी भी जरूरी है क्योंकि इन्हों का कनेक्शन अंग्रेजों से जास्ती है। रशिया, अमेरिका आदि की भाषा अपनी-अपनी है। हैं एक ही धर्म वाले क्रिश्चियन। परन्तु भाषायें बहुत हैं। यहाँ भी हैं सब भारतवासी आदि सनातन देवी-देवता धर्म वाले परन्तु अपने धर्म को भूल गये हैं। भाषायें कितनी हो गई हैं। सब मिक्सचर हैं। जिसकी जो भाषा है उसमें फिर उनको सुनाना है।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १२.०७.०८, पृ. ३)
“Now children from Bangalore, Madras are sitting. Someone will be required to explain to them in Madrasi language. Our language is Hindi. It must have been explained like this in the previous Kalpa too. They will say – Why doesn’t God know all the languages? But it is not fixed in the drama. Had it been fixed in the drama, then I would have delivered lectures in all the languages. Suppose, people who speak different languages are sitting, then will I sit and speak in all the languages? This cannot be possible. How far can I narrate to one or two persons? It will lead to a fight. So, it must be explained – Baba explains in the same language in which He had explained Kalpa ago. That is why Hindi is preferred. English is also necessary because these people have more connection with the Englishmen. Russia, America, etc. have their own languages. The Christian belong to the same religion. But their languages are many. Even here all the Indians belong to the Aadi Sanaatan Devi Devtaa Dharma (deity religion), but they have forgotten their religion. So many languages have emerged. All are mixtures. We should narrate to every person in his own language.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 12.07.08, pg 3 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“Now Christ is glorified so much on Christmas. We know that now everyone is sinful. They say God Father; They call Him. They will also get this knowledge. Baba keeps telling that the pictures should be prepared so that they could be sent to the foreign countries also. One should use the intellect to cause benefit to the unlimited world. Baba’s intellect keeps working. Very few give value to these pictures. The Father has prepared these pictures through visions. One must have so much regard. But they do not have that much regard. Great firstclass service takes place through these pictures. As per drama someone will emerge who will prepare pictures, etc. In future such intelligent ones would emerge that one will become happy just by seeing them. English is popular everywhere. There are so many languages. There will be people knowing English in all the countries. That is why Baba also uses English and Hindi. Ultimately it will come out in all the languages. It is very easy to explain to anyone. But it is observed that if it does not fit into anybody’s intellect then what kind of a task will they accomplish? If someone possesses wealth, and does not donate it, then they would be called ominous. They listen through one ear and leave it through the other." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 01.12.07, pg 3&4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“अभी तो देखो अनेक भाषाएं हैं। अगर संस्कृत भाषा शुरू करें तो इतने यह सब कैसे समझें। आजकल गीता संस्कृत में कण्ठ करा देते हैं। बहुत अच्छी गीता गाते हैं संस्कृत में। अब अहिल्यायें, कुब्जायें, अबलायें....संस्कृत कहाँ जानती। हिन्दी भाषा तो कॉमन है। हिन्दी का प्रचार जास्ती है। भगवान भी हिन्दी में सुना रहे हैं। वह तो गीता के अध्याय बतलाते हैं, इनके अध्याय कैसे बना सकेंगे। यह तो शुरू से लेकर मुरली चलती रहती है।” (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २२.०२.०८, पृ.२)
“Look, now there are so many languages. If we start using Sanskrit language, then how can all these (people) understand? Now a days they learn Sanskrit Gita by heart. They sing Gita very nicely in Sanskrit. Well, do the Ahilyas, Kubjas, Ablaas....know Sanskrit? Hindi language is common. Hindi is very popular. God is also narrating in Hindi. They mention about the chapters of Gita, (but) how can we make chapters of this one (i.e. the Godly knowledge)? The Murlis are being narrated since the beginning.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.02.08, pg.2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“अब बैंगलोर, मद्रास के बच्चे बैठे हैं, उन्हों को फिर मद्रासी भाषा में कोई बैठ समझाये। हमारी भाषा तो हिन्दी है। कल्प पहले भी ऐसे समझाया होगा। कहेंगे भगवान सब भाषायें क्यों नहीं जानते। परन्तु ड्रामा में है नहीं। ड्रामा में होता तो मैं सब भाषाओं में भाषण करता। समझो भिन्न-भिन्न भाषाओं वाले बैठे हों तो क्या हम सब भाषाओं में बैठ बोलूंगा क्या? यह तो हो नहीं सकता। एक-दो को भी कहाँ तक सुनायेंगे। घमासान हो जाये। तो समझाना चाहिए बाबा ने कल्प पहले जिस भाषा में समझाया था उसी भाषा में ही समझाते हैं, इसलिए हिन्दी का जोर है। अंग्रेजी भी जरूरी है क्योंकि इन्हों का कनेक्शन अंग्रेजों से जास्ती है। रशिया, अमेरिका आदि की भाषा अपनी-अपनी है। हैं एक ही धर्म वाले क्रिश्चियन। परन्तु भाषायें बहुत हैं। यहाँ भी हैं सब भारतवासी आदि सनातन देवी-देवता धर्म वाले परन्तु अपने धर्म को भूल गये हैं। भाषायें कितनी हो गई हैं। सब मिक्सचर हैं। जिसकी जो भाषा है उसमें फिर उनको सुनाना है।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १२.०७.०८, पृ. ३)
“Now children from Bangalore, Madras are sitting. Someone will be required to explain to them in Madrasi language. Our language is Hindi. It must have been explained like this in the previous Kalpa too. They will say – Why doesn’t God know all the languages? But it is not fixed in the drama. Had it been fixed in the drama, then I would have delivered lectures in all the languages. Suppose, people who speak different languages are sitting, then will I sit and speak in all the languages? This cannot be possible. How far can I narrate to one or two persons? It will lead to a fight. So, it must be explained – Baba explains in the same language in which He had explained Kalpa ago. That is why Hindi is preferred. English is also necessary because these people have more connection with the Englishmen. Russia, America, etc. have their own languages. The Christian belong to the same religion. But their languages are many. Even here all the Indians belong to the Aadi Sanaatan Devi Devtaa Dharma (deity religion), but they have forgotten their religion. So many languages have emerged. All are mixtures. We should narrate to every person in his own language.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 12.07.08, pg 3 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
arjun wrote:because most of the people understand and speak Hindi God has chosen this language
Here is a direct contradiction between SITA and Arjun.sita wrote:The language matter comes with the study matter.
I do not know why Arjun is bent upon abusing God with very limited vision. Probably he means Virendra Dev Dixit when he says GOD!
Fine. So your God has told you that I have some PBKs as relatives? Does not matter. I am pointing out the absurdity of your limited and narrow ideas irrespective if any person known to me are PBKs. Know for sure that some of my friends are PBKs and I have already said so in this forum. So you need not discover and reveal secrets when none exists.arjun wrote:May be some of his relatives are PBKs
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'apology for an explanation' is an English phrase (idiom) and does not mean an apology. It means a very poor explanation. (there is no charge for this free English tuition :D for you.) I do not know how to translate it into Hindi. Hope your Virendra Dev Dixit also will become wise like you. :?:arjun wrote: so-called apology that you have mentioned, I don't remember tendering any such apology
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Dear brother satya,
It is good you are showing our contradiction, because we are not able to see it.
With regards to the englush tution you can try and give some courses. Maybe you are trying to make fool of the PBKs so that you can teach them like an intellectual and make a living on their back. Yes, probably this is why you have an eye on the give and take of money in the PBKs, you must be jelous, because these money should come to you.
It is good you are showing our contradiction, because we are not able to see it.
With regards to the englush tution you can try and give some courses. Maybe you are trying to make fool of the PBKs so that you can teach them like an intellectual and make a living on their back. Yes, probably this is why you have an eye on the give and take of money in the PBKs, you must be jelous, because these money should come to you.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
OK if you believe that God can speak in all the languages through a single body, then why all the Hindu scriptures were written only in Sanskrit in ancient and medieval India when hundreds of languages existed in India since ancient times? Why was Gita narrated by Krishna (if at all it was actually narrated in Kurukshetra battlefield) only in Sanskrit when lakhs and probably crores of soldiers from different regions were present in the battlefield?satyaprakash wrote:I do not know why Arjun is bent upon abusing God with very limited vision. Probably he means Veerendra Dev Dixit when he says GOD!
And if you feel that Hindi is a language to be hated, then why do religious figures like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Shankaracharya, etc. speak in Hindi and why is a Hindi speaking Yoga guru like Baba Ramdev famous in every nook and corner of India? If people don't follow his language why do they support him? It is the narrowmindedness of people like you that is harmful to the unity of a great country like India which has remained united through Ages. But people like you will never succeed in your ulterior motives.
I sincerely hope my guess is wrong. But please don't shy away from my simple question.So you need not discover and reveal secrets when none exists.
arjun wrote:OK, please answer me why Sanskrit was chosen as the language of Gita when the masses did not used to speak that language?
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
“हिन्दी बहुत जगह चलती है, तो बच्चों को हिन्दी भाषा में समझाना पड़ेगा। परमपिता परमात्मा भी हिन्दी भाषा में ही समझाते हैं। आजकल जहाँ-तहाँ इसका प्रचार करते रहते हैं। एक भाषा होना तो मुश्किल है। कई समझते हैं परमपिता परमात्मा तो सब भाषायें जानते होंगे। परन्तु ऐसे तो हो न सके। अथाह, अनेकानेक भाषायें हैं। वह तो सीखनी पड़ती है। परमपिता परमात्मा को तो कुछ सीखना नहीं है। उन्होंने कल्प पहले जिस भाषा में समझाया है, उसमें ही समझाते हैं। बाकी भाषायें तो हरेक को पढ़नी होती है। बाप को पढ़नी होती है क्या? तुम देखते हो शुरू से हिन्दी चली है। सब हिन्दी सीखते जाते हैं। भारत में हिन्दी का प्रचार है। बाप भी हिन्दी में समझाते हैं फिर हर एक को अपनी भाषा में ट्रांसलेशन कर औरों को समझाने पड़े।“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १२.०९.०८, पृ. २)
“Hindi is spoken at many places. So, children will have to explain in Hindi language. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul also explains in Hindi only. Now-a-days it is being propagated everywhere. It is difficult to have one language. Many people feel that the Supreme Father Supreme Soul must be aware of all the languages. But this cannot be possible. There are innumerable, numerous languages. They have to be learnt. The Supreme Father Supreme Teacher does not have to learn anything. He explains in the same language that He had explained Kalpa ago. As regards languages, everyone has to study (the languages). Does God require to learn? You see that Hindi has been in vogue since the beginning. Everyone is learning Hindi. Hindi is common in India. The Father also explains in Hindi. Then, everyone has to translate and explain to others in his/her language.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 12.09.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“कितना छोटा सा स्टार, उसमें ८४ जन्मों का पार्ट भरा हुआ है। यह बातें जब सुनेंगे तो बहुत आफरीन देंगे कि बरोबर इन्हों को पढ़ाने वाला वह परमात्मा है। तुमको तो सबको पढ़ाना है। भल क्रिश्चियन लोग अंग्रेजी जानने वाले हैं, तुम हिन्दी में बोलो, फिर इन्टरप्रेटर इंग्लिश में ट्रांसलेट कर सुनाता जायेगा। उनके पास इन्टरप्रेटर (अनुवाद करने वाले) होते हैं। बाप का परिचय तो देना है। जैसे बाप दुःख हर्ता, सुख कर्ता है, वैसे तुम बच्चों को भी बनना है। हर एक को रास्ता बताना है। औरों को भी सुखदाई बनाना – यह तुम बच्चों का फर्ज है। तुम खुद बाप से इतना वर्सा ले रहे हो तो फिर औरों को भी देना पड़े। यह है महादान। यह एक-एक वर्शन्स लाखों रुपयों का है। शास्त्रों के वर्शन्स अगर लाखों रुपये के होते तो फिर भारत इतना कंगाल क्यों होता?“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १४.१०.०८, पृ.२)
“It is such a small star; the part (i.e. role) of 84 births is recorded in it. When people hear about this, they will appreciate a lot that the one who teaches these people is definitely the Supreme Soul. You have to teach everyone. Although Christians know English, you speak in Hindi; then the interpreter will go on translating in English. They have interpreters. The introduction of the Father should be given. Just as the Father is a remover of sorrows and giver of happiness, you children should also become. You should show the path to everyone. It is the duty of you children to make others happy. When you are yourselves obtaining so much inheritance from the Father, you should also give it to others. This is the greatest donation. Each of these versions is worth lakhs of rupees. Had the versions of the scriptures been worth lakhs of rupees, why would have India (Bhaarat) become so deprived?”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 14.10.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
The above Murli points clearly disprove satyaprakash's statement that non-Hindi speakers are being forced to learn Hindi by BKs/PBKs.
“Hindi is spoken at many places. So, children will have to explain in Hindi language. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul also explains in Hindi only. Now-a-days it is being propagated everywhere. It is difficult to have one language. Many people feel that the Supreme Father Supreme Soul must be aware of all the languages. But this cannot be possible. There are innumerable, numerous languages. They have to be learnt. The Supreme Father Supreme Teacher does not have to learn anything. He explains in the same language that He had explained Kalpa ago. As regards languages, everyone has to study (the languages). Does God require to learn? You see that Hindi has been in vogue since the beginning. Everyone is learning Hindi. Hindi is common in India. The Father also explains in Hindi. Then, everyone has to translate and explain to others in his/her language.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 12.09.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
“कितना छोटा सा स्टार, उसमें ८४ जन्मों का पार्ट भरा हुआ है। यह बातें जब सुनेंगे तो बहुत आफरीन देंगे कि बरोबर इन्हों को पढ़ाने वाला वह परमात्मा है। तुमको तो सबको पढ़ाना है। भल क्रिश्चियन लोग अंग्रेजी जानने वाले हैं, तुम हिन्दी में बोलो, फिर इन्टरप्रेटर इंग्लिश में ट्रांसलेट कर सुनाता जायेगा। उनके पास इन्टरप्रेटर (अनुवाद करने वाले) होते हैं। बाप का परिचय तो देना है। जैसे बाप दुःख हर्ता, सुख कर्ता है, वैसे तुम बच्चों को भी बनना है। हर एक को रास्ता बताना है। औरों को भी सुखदाई बनाना – यह तुम बच्चों का फर्ज है। तुम खुद बाप से इतना वर्सा ले रहे हो तो फिर औरों को भी देना पड़े। यह है महादान। यह एक-एक वर्शन्स लाखों रुपयों का है। शास्त्रों के वर्शन्स अगर लाखों रुपये के होते तो फिर भारत इतना कंगाल क्यों होता?“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १४.१०.०८, पृ.२)
“It is such a small star; the part (i.e. role) of 84 births is recorded in it. When people hear about this, they will appreciate a lot that the one who teaches these people is definitely the Supreme Soul. You have to teach everyone. Although Christians know English, you speak in Hindi; then the interpreter will go on translating in English. They have interpreters. The introduction of the Father should be given. Just as the Father is a remover of sorrows and giver of happiness, you children should also become. You should show the path to everyone. It is the duty of you children to make others happy. When you are yourselves obtaining so much inheritance from the Father, you should also give it to others. This is the greatest donation. Each of these versions is worth lakhs of rupees. Had the versions of the scriptures been worth lakhs of rupees, why would have India (Bhaarat) become so deprived?”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 14.10.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
The above Murli points clearly disprove satyaprakash's statement that non-Hindi speakers are being forced to learn Hindi by BKs/PBKs.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Instead of focusing all your energy in spreading hatred for PBKs, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and now for Hindi language, if you could have shown a little tolerance and love for a language of your land, just as you show love for a foreign language, it would have been far better.satyaprakash wrote:'apology for an explanation' is an English phrase (idiom) and does not mean an apology. It means a very poor explanation. (there is no charge for this free English tuition :D for you.) I do not know how to translate it into Hindi. Hope your Veerendra Dev Dixit also will become wise like you. :?:
By the way thanks for teaching us English 'free of charge'. Although you hate Hindi, I would like to remind you of a proverb in Hindi that very aptly reflects the ancient Indian tradition - neki kar dariya me daal (in literal sense it means - perform a noble act and throw its credit in the valley; in a metaphorical sense it means that one should not take credit for whatever good he/she does).
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
When did I tell you that? I neither hate Hindi nor Hindi speaking people. All languages are same for me. Every book has to be written in some language and it does not matter if it is in Sanscrit, Hindi, Tami, Telugu or Oriya. That was never my complaint. But why Virendra Dev Dixit claims superiority for Hindi and says everyone should learn it?arjun wrote:Although you hate Hindi,
Qn does nor arise due to my above answer.arjun wrote:And if you feel that Hindi is a language to be hated, then why do religious figures like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Shankaracharya, etc. speak in Hindi and why is a Hindi speaking Yoga guru like Baba Ramdev famous in every nook and corner of India?
No one denies BG is written in Sanscrit except PBKs who says Virendra Dev Dixit's "Gita" is the real one. No where in BG or any other Hindu scriptures it is written that every one should learn sanscrit. But for Virendra Dev Dixit "Hindi is the only language" as he is the only baba and his flag is the only flag etc. Sita is nicely trying to polish over giving Hindu ideas of tolerance to PBKs when none exists.arjun wrote:I sincerely hope my guess is wrong. But please don't shy away from my simple question.
arjun wrote:OK, please answer me why Sanskrit was chosen as the language of Gita when the masses did not used to speak that language?
This is what I call fanaticism. This is fooling and cheating people.
Poor people are already poor. But my objection is why Virendra Dev Dixit is going and collecting money from beggars telling such baseless stories? Has he no scruples? Just because people are fooled into giving money to him (putting in cover etc), has he no conscience as to whom he is collecting from- mostly poor people for his 'Yagya'? You say that you do not force people to give money, like you do not force people to learn Hindi. They are scared stiff by your false stories that do all this 'voluntarily'. May God bless you!
If we talk about it you shout that Virendra Dev Dixit is defamed and moderator is allowing it. Fortunately moderator is no fool!
Satya lies outside your narrow circle of ignorance.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Dear brother satya,Poor people are already poor. But my objection is why Veerendra Dev Dixit is going and collecting money from beggars telling such baseless stories? Has he no scruples? Just because people are fooled into giving money to him (putting in cover etc), has he no conscience as to whom he is collecting from- mostly poor people for his 'Yagya'? You say that you do not force people to give money, like you do not force people to learn Hindi. They are scared stiff by your false stories that do all this 'voluntarily'. May God bless you!
Indeed poor people are more generous. Those who have money have intoxication about their money. If all the matter was about money it would be aimed to the wealthy people, but it is with the scarce money of the poor who give everything they have with a benevolent feeling. Nothing can be achived without good feelings. If it were a matter of fear people would run and not come.
You seem to cherish the idea of tolerance and propagate that there is some truth in every Baba, but none with our Baba. Everyone is good to some extent, but we are all evil and all bad, no truth and no virtue is there with us. Whatever other spiritual organizations do, still there is some benefit, but only we are the ones that whatever we do there is harm only. Satya or God may be everywhere, but you have put us in the jail of the circle of ignorance. Just think who is the one who is presenting the matters in such a way so that they seem and they are fanaticism.Satya lies outside your narrow circle of ignorance.
You may not believe in the idea of tolerance, but it is our right to accept and believe whatever we seem fit and tolerance is seen in practical that we don't impose it, but we have to tolerate constant manifestation of intolerance.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Let's be fair, the idea that Hindi is the original language arises in the BKWSU and Sakar Murlis.satyaprakash wrote:No one denies BG is written in Sanscrit except PBKs who says Veerendra Dev Dixit's "Gita" is the real one. No where in BG or any other Hindu scriptures it is written that every one should learn sanscrit. But for Veerendra Dev Dixit "Hindi is the only language" ...
Frankly, the idea that Golden Aged Hindi becomes Sanskrit which then becomes Iron Aged Hindi is a bit strange ... but the Sakar Murlis always claimed Hindi was the language of heaven. I am surprise Lekhraj Kirpalani did not know and speak more English given that he had such high profile British customers. I suspect that either he must have spoken more English or his partner/staff must have done. Does anyone know?
Obviously the cloistered Amil and Bhaibund women would not speak such language and so the Lekhraj Kirpalani and the god of the BK would have to speak to them in language they understood.
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
He never forced anyone to learn Hindi. Well, if you wish to continue to spread such rumours you are free to do so.satyaprakash wrote:But why Veerendra Dev Dixit claims superiority for Hindi and says everyone should learn it?
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Is Virendra Dev Dixit not doing it? After extracting the maximum from ignorant rich people he is also doing the same to the poor. Where does his wads of currency come from? How did income tax officers discovered crores of hard cash from his person? How is he flying around just to boast that he has a few followers (those foolish people who first joined BKWSU and were later converted to PBKs), in some distant towns?sita wrote: If all the matter was about money it would be aimed to the wealthy people,
Why are the PBKs getting disoriented when simple questions are asked? Why are you running round in circles without any answers?
It is time you ask these questions to yourself. No need to answer me. Answer yourselves!
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Re: Why only Hindi?- unanswered question
Dear brother satya,
You say he is after our money, but we don't realize it. But what do you have to do with our money? What we do with them is our concern not yours. You try to play the role of a well wisher, but it is seen what your true intention is. Behind the facade of a pretty face you take any chance to defame without any base. When you receive answers to your questins you say we go round in circles. But why do you go round in circles in these various questions when they are aimed in just one aim. You can just write one longer post with all the curses and bad words you know and you may feel relief.
What i try to say is that people with the PBK are poor. If it were about money still from the beginning, it would be created in a way so that rich people come.
From one side you say it is all trash, but then you complain there are only few followers. it is good. It says that most of the people are sensible like you, only few, who are very senseless have been misguided. it is also good you are trying to save these very few, by disposing them to the truth that is there everywhere else.
i don't know why you take it so personal if people are following whatever they wish, even if it is complete nonsense. The world is full of variety, there are all types of people. If it would help you take it more lightly, just assume there are also stupid people like us. You try to make us more intelligent and enlighten us, but you see that it would be rather that you become as stupid as us, rather than we start seeing. I think Arjun has rightly assumed there is some closer person to you who is involved and that's why you take it so personal, but instead of getting involving in useless fight, will it not be better if you leave the freedom of everyone to do whatever they wish.
You say he is after our money, but we don't realize it. But what do you have to do with our money? What we do with them is our concern not yours. You try to play the role of a well wisher, but it is seen what your true intention is. Behind the facade of a pretty face you take any chance to defame without any base. When you receive answers to your questins you say we go round in circles. But why do you go round in circles in these various questions when they are aimed in just one aim. You can just write one longer post with all the curses and bad words you know and you may feel relief.
What i try to say is that people with the PBK are poor. If it were about money still from the beginning, it would be created in a way so that rich people come.
From one side you say it is all trash, but then you complain there are only few followers. it is good. It says that most of the people are sensible like you, only few, who are very senseless have been misguided. it is also good you are trying to save these very few, by disposing them to the truth that is there everywhere else.
i don't know why you take it so personal if people are following whatever they wish, even if it is complete nonsense. The world is full of variety, there are all types of people. If it would help you take it more lightly, just assume there are also stupid people like us. You try to make us more intelligent and enlighten us, but you see that it would be rather that you become as stupid as us, rather than we start seeing. I think Arjun has rightly assumed there is some closer person to you who is involved and that's why you take it so personal, but instead of getting involving in useless fight, will it not be better if you leave the freedom of everyone to do whatever they wish.
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