Flaws in PBK Philosophy

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Flaw no. 32) aim of a PBKs is to get purified in the same body. they wish their present body to become pure. but inspite of that, some PBKs shed their body (= die). Then PBKs say- such PBKs had percentage of Bhakti in them.

PBKs believe - in the end, 2.25 lakh + 2.25 lakh souls will not shed their body like present. That is- the impure bodies of those 4.5 lakh souls will be purified. So does it imply that all these souls wiil have no percentage of Bhakti then?

If so, then such real gyaani tu atmas should not experience any punishment, right?

But they believe just 8 souls only will not receive punishment.

So- there is contradiction.

[Rudraakash]

Baap and Dada both are the different entities with separate costume.
Some Avyakt Vani which support it.
Avyakt SANDESH 18jan 1969
1-Aaj vatan me gayi to BAAP AUR Dada DONO bhut busy the. Kya dekha ki dono ke aage bahut se phool bhe the aur patte bhi the...., unko dekh rahe the. To BAAP Dada DONO bahut busy the mujhe dekha bhi nahe.

2- Aaj vatan me gayi to koi bhe nazar nahe aa raha tha....fir aage chalkar kya dekha ki ShivBaba, BRAHMA BABA, Mama AUR VISHVKISHOR charo he AAPAS ME BAATCHEET KAR RAHE THE.

3-Aaj jab vatan me gayi to jate he kya dekha ki SHIV BABA AUR APNA BRAHMA BABA DONO HI AAPAS ME BAITHE THE, aur unke samne ek chhoti pahadi bani hue the....

4- Av 23-1-69
Ruh ruhan karne MEETHE 2 BABA ne aap sabhi bacho SE milne bheja hai.
(Who is this BABA? THIS POINT CLEARLY SAYS THAT ONLY BRAHMA SOUL ENTERS IN Dadi Gulzar, BUT SILL BAAPDADA Are combined,how ? )

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4- Av 23-1-69
Ruh ruhan karne MEETHE 2 Baba ne aap sabhi bacho SE milne bheja hai.
(Who is this Baba? THIS POINT CLEARLY SAYS THAT ONLY Brahma SOUL ENTERS IN Dadi Gulzar, BUT SILL BAAPDADA Are combined,how ? )

I have replied to this when the same is asked in the old forum.

Brahma Baba alone can enter in Gulzar Dadi. brahma Baba and ShivBaba together also can enter in Dadi. What bondage is there for anyone?

In Sakar Murli, it is said- I do not ride on Chariot whole day. i can enter at any time and leave.
So- I think- during that time (23-1-69), just brahma would have enterd in Dadi and most of the time of Avyakt Murli sessions, both shiv and Brahma enter in Dadi.

And even if it is just brahma Baba it does not make much difference, since BKs believe Brahma Baba is now Baap samaan.

And Murli says- ShivBaba will take responsibility for what brahma speaks (I think- it is because he is next to god), there is no need to bother who enters in Dadi.
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Regarding sandesh points, - they cannot be used as proof, because it does not actually happen physically there.

It is vision that Baba gives to the child/sandeshi to transfer some message. Just think- there the child sees garden, flowers, pahaad (mountain), etc with Dada Vishwa Kishor, Mama, etc. How can mountain, flowers, etc be there in Subtle Region?
also- when baba shows them there to the sandeshi, does it mean that - the present part of Dada vishwa Kishore or Mama is in that garden or mountain? [if PBKs claim that the present role of them is in Farukkaabad]

ShivBaba may create there any scene.

And Baba says- in trance, etc, Maya also enters. So- they cannot be taken as solid proof.
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And where is it said that- sandeshi recognized ShivBaba as a point in costume of Mr. Dixit? Why there is no name of any PBK or Farukkabad in the message?
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Once in Avyakt Murli- recently i think- around 3 years before, it is said- Today in amrutvela, baapdaadaa was celebrating holi with Advance Party; Dadi, Didi, were there, etc, etc.

Just think- If the Advance Party is PBKs, who all PBKs have experienced that celebration of holi with baapdaadaa in amrutvela? and they should be able to narrate the experience before listening to Avyakt Murli that evening, right?

[rmn]

Shivasena soul brother,
As per rudrkhsa soul the following points may be clarified please, w.r.t u r knowledge basis on Murli points,

Avyakt SANDESH 18jan 1969
1-Aaj vatan me gayi to BAAP AUR Dada DONO bhut busy the. Kya dekha ki dono ke aage bahut se phool bhe the aur patte bhi the...., unko dekh rahe the. To BAAP Dada DONO bahut busy the mujhe dekha bhi nahe.

2- Aaj vatan me gayi to koi bhe nazar nahe aa raha tha....fir aage chalkar kya dekha ki ShivBaba, Brahma Baba, Mama AUR VISHVKISHOR charo he AAPAS ME BAATCHEET KAR RAHE THE.

3-Aaj jab vatan me gayi to jate he kya dekha ki Shiv Baba AUR APNA Brahma Baba DONO HI AAPAS ME BAITHE THE, aur unke samne ek chhoti pahadi bani hue the....

4- Av 23-1-69
Ruh ruhan karne MEETHE 2 Baba ne aap sabhi bacho SE milne bheja hai.
Thanks

[mbbhat]

Dear rudr soul,

You may go through the following Murli point and come to know the acts of god and drama.

SM 5-11-82(2):- Yah hai he ek Baap creator. Aur sabhi punarjanm may aanevaale hain. Yah kabhi punarjanm naheen lete hain. Inkaa (ShivBaba kaa) alowkik janm hai. Tum jaante ho kaise aakar pravesh kiyaa hai. DOOSRI AATMAA PRAVESH KARTI HAI NA. Samjho kiske tan may stree ki aatmaa aatee hai, bol sakegi main sukhi hun. Baaki unkey shareer ko haath naheen lagaayenge. Kyonki shareer toh doosraa hai na. Bhaavnaa hai ki humaarey stree ki aatmaa hai. Inko bulaayaa gayaa hai. AISEY BAHUTON KO BULAATE HAIN. ATMA AATI TOH HAI NA. Abhi tamoguni ho gaye hain. Isliye accurate bataate naheen hain. Guru ki aatmaa ko bhi bulaate hain. Parantu yah kisko bhi pataa nahin ki aatmaa kyaa cheez hai. Kaise aati jaati hai. Yah drama may pahley se hee noondh hai. AISEY NAHEEN AATMAA NIKAL KAR YAHAAN AATI HAI, VAH MAR JAATI HAI. NAHEEN. BAAP KAHTE HAIN YAH MAIN MANOKAAMANAA POORN KARNE LIYE SAAKSHAATKAAR KARATAA HUN. JO DRAMA MAY NOONDH HAI SO HOTAA HAI. Second pass huvaa, drama may noondh hai. -43 vvimp [Drama, God’s acts, atom bomb]
=....People invite soul (who have already left the body). Soul comes, is it not? Now, they have become tamoguni (degraded). Hence they do not say accurate. People invite their guru's soul. But no one knows what is soul, how it comes. This is already fixed in drama. It is not that the soul gets out from its body and comes here and that (the person in its next birth) dies. No. Father says- to fulfil one's desires, I give the visions. What is fixed in drama, it happens.

[arjun]

PBKs believe - in the end, 2.25 lakh + 2.25 lakh souls will not shed their body like present. That is- the impure bodies of those 4.5 lakh souls will be purified. So does it imply that all these souls wiil have no percentage of Bhakti then?

If so, then such real gyaani tu atmas should not experience any punishment, right?

But they believe just 8 souls only will not receive punishment.

So- there is contradiction.

It is true that the bodies of 4.5 lakh souls will be purified in this very birth in the end of the Confluence Age. But it is not true that they will not receive punishment. Except 8 all others will receive punishment and will have to be buried under ice for varying periods after which their bodies will be transformed. There is no contradiction at all.
OGS,
Arjun

[mbbhat]

So- what is the meaning of saying- those who have percentage of Bhakti, shed their body. What is the relation?
Is there any relation between percentage of Bhakti remaining in a soul in the end, and the punishment that soul receives ?

So- is the punishment experienced being under ice or the soul had already experienced punishment before and then the body gets purified?

[arjun]

So- what is the meaning of saying- those who have percentage of Bhakti, shed their body. What is the relation?
Is there any relation between percentage of Bhakti remaining in a soul in the end, and the punishment that soul receives ?

Those (PBKs) who do not complete Bhakti will have to leave their body, take rebirth and complete their Bhakti before being eligible for transformation of their bodies into kanchankaya.

So- is the punishment experienced being under ice or the soul had already experienced punishment before and then the body gets purified?

Punishments can be experienced before being buried in ice as well. They may have to travel to different corners of the world to give the Godly message. Those who defame ShivBaba's practical part now will have to remain far away from India till almost the end. Those who have faith will come to Him in spite of being in any corner of the world at present.

[mbbhat]

Those (PBKs) who do not complete Bhakti will have to leave their body, take rebirth and complete their Bhakti before being eligible for transformation of their bodies into kanchankaya.

So- does it mean that 2.25 lakh PBKs are definitely going to complete their Bhakti in future?

[arjun]

So- does it mean that 2.25 lakh PBKs are definitely going to complete their Bhakti in future?

Yes.

[mbbhat]

Yes.

so- if 2.25 lakh souls complete their Bhakti, but still experience punishment (since 8 only will not receive punishment), then - is it not something contradictory?

that is- even when those souls (2.25 lakh minus eight) have no Bhakti left in them, still experience punishment?

So- what do PBKs mean by gyaan and Bhakti in real sense?

[Rudraakash]

Brahma Baba alone can enter in Gulzar Dadi. Brahma Baba and ShivBaba together also can enter in Dadi. What bondage is there for anyone?

In Sakar Murli, it is said- I do not ride on Chariot whole day. i can enter at any time and leave

AS PER MU. Shiva neither enters in subtle brahma nor in Dadi Gulzar.
Mu 4.11.72
Main SUKSHMWATANVASI BRAHMA DEVTA main pravesh nahe karta hoon. Mujhe to yha patiton ko pavan banana hai.
Mu 2.10.98
SUKSHMVATANVASI ko yaha kaise la sakta? Vah to hai farishta, unko yaha patit dunya me le aau yah to dosh ho jaye.
Mu 15.10.69
Itna unch baap to unko raja athva pavitra rishi ke tan main aana chahiye. Pavitra hote hi hai sanyasi. PAVITRA KANYA KE TAN MAIN AAVAIN , PARANTU KAYDA NAHI, BAAP SO PHIR KUMARI PAR KAISE SAVARI KARENGE,
(Gulzar Dadi is virgin and to be in ashram from childhood makes her body to be pure which is against the LAW OF Shiva'S ENTRY. )
Mu 17.3.73
Brahma naam kab badal nahe sakte. Brahma dwaara hi sthapna karte hai to doosre tan me thode he aavenge. AGAR DUSRE TAN ME AAVE TO BHI UNKA NAAM BRAHMA RAKHNA PADE.
(why Didi Gulzar is not termed as brahma? )

And Baba says- in trance, etc, Maya also enters. So- they cannot be taken as solid proof.

ALSO we know that there is no SUKSHM VATA, Then where is Advance Party?
it should be in Sakar, practically.
also said in av,
Avyakt Vani:25.1.80

"Advance Party toh Sakar sharir parivartan kar seva kar rahi hai;lekin koi-2 ka part ant tak sakari aur akari roop dwaara bhi chalta hai.Aapka kya part hai?Kiska Advance Party ka part hai,kiska antah vahak sharir dwaara seva ka part hai.Dono part ka apna apna mahatva hai.Advance Party ka kaam bhi koi kum nahi hai.Sunaya na vah jor-shor se apna plan bana rahe hai.Vahan bhi naamigraami hai."

....first thing to understand from this Vani is that it has been clearly told that Advance Party consists of two types of members;One who had changed their form from corporeal to subtle that is sukshm sharirdhari souls like BRAHMA,Mama etc.....Second are those who plays their role in sakari stage that is in corporeal form till end.....but BK's rejects this statements saying that only sukshm sharir dhari souls are of Advance Party...but Murli proved something else.....next it has been even said that who are the true Advance Party members...hence the word Advance Party is used for those who are present in corporeal form and the other sukshm sharir category is represented by the other group who does work with antah vahak sharir which is none other than sukshm sharir....

Further it has been said that the work of Advance Party is not a small job...they are planning their plans with full swing....Even there are famous persons....now the thing to understand is that naamigraami or famous persons are there only in corporeal world....because ShivBaba says geography and history is of this world...neither Paramdham nor Subtle Region has any of geography or history...so how come there is naamigraami(history of course) in Subtle Region....this shows that sentences are indicating to this world...

SO Advance Party IS IN THIS WORLD!!!

[mbbhat]

Thank you.

[Rudraakash]

Thank you.

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