Flaws in PBK Philosophy

[arjun]

Think whatever you wish. But please allow us to do something positive. And instead of wasting your time debating with us, use your energy and wealth of knowledge in doing BK service. That will earn you more punya than just arguing with PBKs. I think it must be because of your egotistic and adamant nature that the BKs don't support you. Otherwise, they could have used your resources in a positive manner. Anyway, it is your life. Either you waste it or make best use of it. Om Shanti.

[mbbhat]

But please allow us to do something positive.

have I prohibited you?
If we see PBK literature, there are more negatives than positives.

[arjun]

By constantly repeating the same debate you are indeed preventing us from doing anything positive.

U hardly read the PBK literature. Had you read it completely and in the right perspective you would have known the answers to all your queries by now. But u will not because you want to be in limelight and waste our time by arguing.

[mbbhat]

U hardly read the PBK literature. Had you read it completely and in the right perspective you would have known the answers to all your queries by now.

I had read for around 40 hours in total (including the teachings from a pbk). The explanation of four pictures had some new things which were not explained in BKWSU which really had impressed me. But later I found that some of them are directly and fully contradicting with Murli points.

And it praises Dixit as if he is more than god. The interpretation of Murli points is partial. It is one man show to project dixit as Chariot.

Regarding the shooting periods, and the seed souls of all the religions- that did not sit in my intellect. Because it is memorization of some people and events which have no value without right proof.
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You can see many ex BKs putting new new querries here. So- that also says- pbk philosophy could not satisfy all the queries.

[arjun]

But later I found that some of them are directly and fully contradicting with Murli points.

U r free 2 hv ur opinion.

And it praises Dixit as if he is more than god. The interpretation of Murli points is partial. It is one man show to project dixit as Chariot.

This shows your incomplete study and biased observations.

Regarding the shooting periods, and the seed souls of all the religions- that did not sit in my intellect.

It will sit when the rust of body consciousness is removed from the soul. Then u will study directly from the Father. Until then go on studying the basic knowledge.

[mbbhat]

Sorry for blank post. this can be deleted.

[mbbhat]

Arjun soul wrote:- It will sit when the rust of body consciousness is removed from the soul. Then u will study directly from the Father.

what is left after removal of body consciousness? so- is it that- no pbk has body consciousness? Really great.

[arjun]

I did not say 'completely', but it is numberwise. And these are not my words. This is a Sakar Murli point.

[mbbhat]

Yes, got it. fine.

[sita]

Dear mbhat,

PBKs are dependent on the BKs for their effort to become complete in the same way as the world is dependent on mothers to open the gates of heaven.

[mbbhat]

PBKs are dependent on the BKs for their effort to become complete in the same way as the world is dependent on mothers to open the gates of heaven.

Not clear. What do you mean by world here? whole 600 crore population ?

1)World is not aware that it is dependent. It is sleeping. So can it be said that even PBKs sleeping?

And I think- the level of world is next to those who open the gates. so- does it mean the level of PBKs is lesser than BKs?

2)the world population is higher than the mothers who would open the gates. How will you account this?
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3)Most important thing is- PBKs had been saying that- in the two subjects, PBKs are ahead and the other two BKs are ahead.

Arjun soul wrote:- ShivBaba (through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) has clearly said umpteen number of times that BKs are better in dharna and seva while PBKs are better in knowledge and remembrance. In the end each group will become complete by imbibing the good qualities of the other group.

But sometimes they say they are not dependent.

[sita]

Not clear. What do you mean by world here? whole 600 crore population ?

Whatever. If you take firstly the smaller world, then the bigger, people of different religions remember heaven, so this heaven of the Confluence Age, everyone should be able to experience. ShivBaba has to give inheritance of libetration and liberation in life to everyone, do you agree, all are his children, do you agree?

1)World is not aware that it is dependent. It is sleeping. So can it be said that even PBKs sleeping?

No, even if you sleep, the sun does not wait for you to wake up, it rises and shines, similarly, aware or not, the task mothers has to do will affect the world.

And I think- the level of world is next to those who open the gates. so- does it mean the level of PBKs is lesser than BKs?

- i don't understand, please clarify.

2)the world population is higher than the mothers who would open the gates. How will you account this?

One God is able to himself change the whole world, what is the account. Pandavas were 5 but defeated 100 Kauravas. One swan can remain in his own intoxication even in the company of storks.

3)Most important thing is- PBKs had been saying that- in the two subjects, PBKs are ahead and the other two BKs are ahead.

Yes, because BKs don't have understanding of God, how can they have Yaad, but as they follow the good example of Brahma, they develop good dharna. Through good dharna, good service takes place. It is the service of opening the gates of heaven. But, as Arjun Bhai has pointed, both will imbibe the speciality of the other. As the BKs would catch the knowledge, it is said this knowledge feels good when coming out from the mouth of the mothers, but it is also not a matter of only narrating the knowledge, because this knowldge is about the practical life. You can see PBKs failing in practical, you may not see BKs failing in practical, but it is even noted by Dadis, qualities in students decrease. So if there has to be change, why not through cooperation. The whole world has to cooperate. PBKs are ahead in knowledge, since they have recognized the practical part of God. It is easier to have faith in someone in practical, rather than a point of light.

[mbbhat]

Sorry that you did not understand the questions or I failed to make you understand them.
In your own statement,

PBKs are dependent on the BKs for their effort to become complete in the same way as the world is dependent on mothers to open the gates of heaven.

you may equate

world = PBKs
mothers = BKs

And then try to read the questions.
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but please note that- BKs do not say they depend on world people for their effort to become complete.they say- when their effort becomes complete, destruction will begin. there is coincidence in time, but not dependency in effort.

And the world will not follow BKs to heaven. but, here (according to PBKs), both becomes couples and form Vijayamala. so- you may think deeply and reply.

[mbbhat]

Rudr Putra wrote:- Then what is the essence of shastra story?.Who was that Ram, who broke the bow made by BONES OF DADHICHI RASHI(Dadhichi rishi is non other than Brahma or DL who did haddi 2 purusarth in Brahmin family)?

If you think, you know very well about essence of shastras, you may give relation from gyaanmarg to Bhaktimarg (and vice versa) of the following. If you are willing, I can list even more questions.

1)Who were 5 husbands of Droupadi?
2)what is the significance of 14 years of vanavaas of Ram, 12 years vanavaas of Pandavas, and one year vanavaas of Pandavas?
3)Significance of 18 days of Mahabharat war?
4)Significance of Droupadi swayamvar and sita Swayamvar.
5)Why sita was sent to forest once again by Ram's order?
6)Ram fought with his own children.
7)The game of dice between pandavas and kouravas.
8)the golden deer that Sita saw in the forest.
9)Surpanakhi whose ears and nose were cut by Lakshman.
10)Krishna had a very poor friend Sudama
11)Who is Kans who put lots of efforts to kill Krishna even by births and finally dies in the hands of Krishna?
12)Krishna had two mothers and also the pandavas.
13)It is shown that in the Mahabharat war, pandavas also spoke some lies. What is the significance of these?
14))Who was pandavas brother karna who unknowingly was on side of Kouravas?
15)Where is is said in Bhaktimarg that God entered in two chariots?

All these are very important incidents in Bhaktimarg.

[sita]

Dear mbhat,

Yes, the PBKs are world, since there is all variety of souls there.

Indeed when we become complete, destruction will begin, but the matter is about how to become complete. Even Avyakt BapDada says Advance Party are ready and are wating for you.Why? If Advance Party are ready, why do they wait for the BKs?

In fact it is not right to say the sun rises, since it is the earth that rotates, nomatter if we sleep or not mothers like earth do their moves. When earthquake strikes, no one sleeps, everyone runs. It was said in 2012 axis of earth will change, now there are news we are witnessing change of axis of earth.

In the Murlis it is said deities will be revealed as couples. The role of the spiritual Father is in transforming ordinary human beings into deities. If he creates perfect couple Laksmi and Narayan in the Confluence Age, Lakshmi needs Narayana and Narayan needs Laksmi so that they make a perfect couple, or is it enough to be on your own. It is said it is family path.