Shankar's Part ?

[arjun]

SM 9-5-82(3):- Baap hai niraakaar, gyaan ka Sakar. Vah is rath may pravesh karte hain. VAH TO SHIVSHANKAR KAH DETE. AB Shiv TO (BYEL PAR) SAVARI KAR NA SAKE. Isliye phir Shankar kah dete hain. To bachchon ko bahut rahamdil ban_na chahiye. -9-

= Father is incorporeal, ocean of knowledge. He enters in this Chariot. They say shivshankar. NOW- Shiv CANNOT RIDE (ON BULL). HENCE THEN (THEY) HAVE SAID Shankar. So chidren should become highly merciful.

Lowkik people might have thought- the one who sits on top of bull and rides should be like a human being. so- they gave human form to Shiv. - i think- here- Baba means so.

Since Brahma Baba had a child-like intellect he could not understand the meaning of the above Murli point.
Father Shiv doesn't ride on an animal bull. Animals do not think and churn. Similarly Brahma did not understand the meanings of the versions spoken by Shiv through his mouth. So, he is like the animal bull. Shiv does not ride on Brahma in the form of a Father. Shankar rides on the bull and Shiv rides on the human being Shankar, who is always shown to be thinking and churning. This is why a bull is always shown in the temple of Shiva in front of the Shivling (a memorial of incorporeal+corporeal).

[mbbhat]

When Shiv himself comes to this world, how can the soul of Shankar alone remain only in the Subtle Region without coming to this world? He does come in this world, but is always in tapasya (remembrance). This is why it has been said that you cannot ask Shankar. It is the souls of Shiv and Brahma which generally work through the body of Shankar. And another reason why this has been said is that Shankar never claims that Shiv has entered in him.

It is said shiv does not ride the Chariot whole the day.

So- how much time does Shiv and Brahma Baba sit in VD per day?

Who experiences thurst, hunger etc in VD body? DL, or VD or none?
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Since Brahma Baba had a child-like intellect he could not understand the meaning of the above Murli point.
Father Shiv doesn't ride on an animal bull. Animals do not think and churn. Similarly Brahma did not understand the meanings of the versions spoken by Shiv through his mouth. So, he is like the animal bull. Shiv does not ride on Brahma in the form of a Father. Shankar rides on the bull and Shiv rides on the human being Shankar, who is always shown to be thinking and churning. This is why a bull is always shown in the temple of Shiva in front of the Shivling

This is why a bull is always shown in the temple of Shiva in front of the Shivling (a memorial of incorporeal+corporeal

This may be your interpretation. But, it does not fit properly. Since no Murli point says- ling is corporeal + incorporeal. Ling means just incorporeal.

Also- it is said in Bhaktimarg (mostly i am right)- nectar came through face/mouth of bull?

If you believe nectar comes through mouth of VD, then it should be shown through face of Shankar.

But it is never shown so.

so- ling represents just point shiv and bull represents Brahma Baba and no VD or anyone in between.


At present, I do not know about Shankar fully. but, I think- the claim of PBKs is incorrect. Hence i did quote the Murli point.

[mbbhat]

If that is the case, why does he enter in Gulzar Dadi? She is never called Brahma.

Already explained in detail. mostly here.

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2107

[arjun]

Again the same childish arguements by mbbhat Bhai. He is free to believe that Father Shiv comes in Gulzar Dadi.

[mbbhat]

I agree that my intellect is baby/childish.

So- there I no wonder in that.

so- if your intellect is far above childish, great salutes to you

[mbbhat]

None of the souls is beyond The Cycle of birth and death except Shiv. When Shiv himself comes to this world, how can the soul of Shankar alone remain only in the Subtle Region without coming to this world? He does come in this world, but is always in tapasya (remembrance). This is why it has been said that you cannot ask Shankar. It is the souls of Shiv and Brahma which generally work through the body of Shankar.

So- who replies to phone calls and emails when something is asked to Mr. dixit? Shiv, or Brahma?

Who did thesis work of Phd what Mr. dixit had submitted? Is that also by Shiv or brahma?

[arjun]

So- who replies to phone calls and emails when something is asked to Mr. dixit? Shiv, or Brahma?

ShivBaba says:
"हमेशा समझो – शिवबाबा समझाते हैं। इनको छोड़ दो। ऐसे ही समझो शिवबाबा सुनाते हैं तो बुद्धियोग शिवबाबा पास जाने से विकर्म विनाश होंगे। मम्मा भी शिवबाबा से सुनकर सुनाती है। सदैव एक शिवबाबा की ही याद रहे तो विकर्म विनाश होते रहेंगे।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २९.०७.०८, पृ. ४)

"Always think – ShivBaba explains. Leave this one. Think that it is ShivBaba who narrates; then, the sins will get burnt because the intellect goes towards ShivBaba. Mama also listens from ShivBaba and narrates. If there is the remembrance of only one ShivBaba, the sins will go on burning.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 29.07.08, pg 4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK)

Who did thesis work of Phd what Mr. dixit had submitted? Is that also by Shiv or Brahma?

Childish question. PBKs never claimed that Shiv submitted thesis work of Ph.D through Baba Dixit. It was the hard work of that individual (soul of Ram).

[sita]

Mama also listens from ShivBaba and narrates.

How do you interpret this point, shivsena Bhai.

[shivsena]

Mama also listens from ShivBaba and narrates.

How do you interpret this point, shivsena Bhai.

In order to interpret Murli points, we first have to understand whether all statements spoken in Murlis are gems of knowledge(Gyan-ratan) or there are pebbles/stones (kankar-pattar) also in Murlis.....if this is not understood then there will be nothing but confusion.
Do you think that all what is said in Murlis are true statements !!

[sita]

Yes, i believe all statements in the Murlis are true. Even if Brahma baba interferes in between, ShivBaba is reponsible to rectify this.

[shivsena]

Yes, i believe all statements in the Murlis are true. Even if Brahma Baba interferes in between, ShivBaba is reponsible to rectify this.

http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2439

[mbbhat]

Interestingly, when Murli says- it is not possible to ask Shankar, PBKs give reply as

He does come in this world, but is always in tapasya (remembrance). This is why it has been said that you cannot ask Shankar

but, then, when it is asked

who replies to phone calls and emails when something is asked to Mr. dixit? Shiv, or Brahma?

PBKs quote the following Murli point:-

Arjun soul replied:- Always think – ShivBaba explains. Leave this one. Think that it is ShivBaba who narrates; then, the sins will get burnt because the intellect goes towards ShivBaba.

But, when they need, they will criticize that such and such point is said by childish intellect of Brahma Baba and will write:- "Since Brahma Baba had a child-like intellect he could not understand the meaning of the above Murli point.". [this is double standard of PBKs].
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OK, let us agree what PBKs say is true. Then it is as good as ShivBaba attends phone calls through Mr. dixit. But, now, who eats food? and, suppose say- Mr dixit while travelling- may be purchasing food , etc. then there will be some communication. so is it that during such all the time it is ShivBaba who speaks through Dixit?

OK, let us still agree, it is ShivBaba who does all these through Mr. dixit and soul of Mr. Dixit does nothing, but in remembrance of shiv.

But:- Since it is said clearly in Murli that - ShivBaba never rides the Chariot the whole day, then even this assumption fails. So- it should be either soul of Dixit or Brahma Baba who responds during other times.

So- do they believe it is soul of Brahma Baba who responds through Mr. dixit most of the time (when shiv is not present there)?

[mbbhat]

Arjun soul wrote:- This is why it has been said that you cannot ask Shankar. It is the souls of Shiv and Brahma which generally work through the body of Shankar. And another reason why this has been said is that Shankar never claims that Shiv has entered in him. Titleholder Brahma or Gulzar Dadi may claim, but Shankar never claims. It is impossible for anyone to extract from his mouth that he is the medium of God.

So- how did PBKs come to know that Dixit is medium of god? Is it by inspiration? Or by churning of PBKs?

[arjun]

So- do they believe it is soul of Brahma Baba who responds through Mr. dixit most of the time (when Shiv is not present there)?

ShivBaba says:
"हमेशा समझो – शिवबाबा समझाते हैं। इनको छोड़ दो। ऐसे ही समझो शिवबाबा सुनाते हैं तो बुद्धियोग शिवबाबा पास जाने से विकर्म विनाश होंगे। मम्मा भी शिवबाबा से सुनकर सुनाती है। सदैव एक शिवबाबा की ही याद रहे तो विकर्म विनाश होते रहेंगे।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २९.०७.०८, पृ. ४)

"Always think – ShivBaba explains. Leave this one. Think that it is ShivBaba who narrates; then, the sins will get burnt because the intellect goes towards ShivBaba. Mama also listens from ShivBaba and narrates. If there is the remembrance of only one ShivBaba, the sins will go on burning.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 29.07.08, pg 4 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK)

So- how did PBKs come to know that Dixit is medium of god? Is it by inspiration? Or by churning of PBKs?

Already discussed in past. mbbhat Bhai is free to imagine or believe anything.

[mbbhat]

OK