Flaws in PBK Philosophy

[mbbhat]

Arjun soul wrote:- She is not actually the Moon of knowledge. It is Brahma Baba, but his soul enters in Jagdamba/Mahakali. That's why an incomplete Moon is shown on the forehead of Mahakali as well. Jagdamba is actually the seed-soul of Chandravanshis within the Advance Party.

Memorials are made in remembrance of the complete/perfect stage at the end of the Confluence Age. When these two persons will not exist with their physical bodies at the time of revelation, then why will their memorials be formed?

1)So- do you mean to say- Gulzar Dadai will definitely die (leave her body) before 2018 (I think this is the year of revelation as per PBKs)?

2)If memorials are made in remembrance of just perfect stages, then how can God of Gita be formed as Krishna? And there are many more things could be asked. - why meat sacrifice is given to Kali, etc. Does it represent perfection? why she is shown in black?

3)And, how can there be two yaadgaars of Brahma Baba then? One as a moon on Shankar and another as a moon on Kali? Because at the time of perfection, he can be in just one body, is it not?

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 36:- Inaccurate place of Jagadamba

Arjun soul wrote:- Jagdamba is actually the seed-soul of Chandravanshis within the Advance Party.

According to PBKs, the level of Jagadamba is far below that of Prajapita. For them,
1)Kamala dixit is not one of the top eight souls.

2)Even Vedanti sister's purity is cowardice.

3)Mama of BKs is just title holder. Even DL is title holder.

But following Murli point says- Jagadamba is the one who becomes pure first.

SM 17-2-88(2):- Pahley2 Jagadamba paavan banti hai. Phir unki shaktiyaan. -53-

= first, Jagadamba becomes pure. Then her shaktis.

[For BKs, it is immaterial whether Brahma Baba is kept ahead of Mama or vice versa. Because they believe both are almost equal]

[arjun]

Om Shanti. All the replies and questions posted by mbbhat Bhai are just childish arguements, just for the sake of debate. Although I can answer, but I don't have time to reply to his meaningless questions. I know he will immediately jump to say that PBKs don't have answers. But it is better to remain silent than to reply to meaningless questions to feed his ego.
OGS,
Arjun

[mbbhat]

thank you

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 37:- Regarding dhamramaraj

1) PBKs believe Dada Lekhraj is of child intellect. Then how can such a soul play role of Dharmaraj (one who can give judgement)?

2) Baba says- Both ShivBaba and Prajapita Brahma are the highest authorities. I feel dharmaraj is next to God (I do not know whether ShivBaba himself plays the role, or it is automatic in drama. But, in case, some human soul takes that position, then I feel it should be either next to god or the top 8 souls)

It is easy to come to conclusion that- place of dharmaraj is highest authority. so- in case, human soul plays that role, then it should be Prajapita.

But, here also- pbk philosophy is contradictory.
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3) And they believe BBaba is not within the first eight souls. So- he should get punishment from Dharmaraj. Then how can DL be Dharmaraj?

[fluffy bunny]

These are simple to answer ... if you thought about the possibilities.

You are not actually sincerely asking questions to get an answer, consequently, no one has any good reason to answer you. What you are doing is just trying to bore or poison people's minds with your toxic and illogical rhetoric.

1) Simple. He grew up and become more educated. Elsewhere in the Murlis it says he studies too.
3) Seemingly in the BKWSU world one can be at two states of consciousness or being at the same time.

Don't you remember the stories the BKs tell of when BKs and Lekhraj Kirpalani met Avyakt Lekhraj Kirpalani in the Subtle Regions?

I'm neither a BK nor a PBK but can remember these and work things out ... are you asleep in Morning Class?

Another good reason why all the Murlis should be available online so that people can study them.

2) Is into areas of your own speculation and so I cannot answer. Yes, I might even agree that "Dharamraj type" experiences are automatic or created by the individual themselves but have no experience of them and so cannot say. Numerous religions do, however, and do state that there are individuals or demi-god in those places ... so who knows.

I'm interested to hear what the official Advance Knowledge explanation is.

[mbbhat]

Good effort.

[arjun]

Flaw No. 37:- Regarding dhamramaraj

I have already answered these questions in the concerned topic. Please discuss one topic at one place. Please don't copy and paste your questions everywhere. I have already stated that I don't have time to answer your repeated questions. I am not here to give you publicity. If you deliberately repeat such mistakes then please don't expect answers from me. You are simply proving yourself to be an egotist and untrustworthy with such acts.

[mbbhat]

It is OK. If you have no time, you need not bother. you are free . In future, if any pbk is willing, this door will be open for them.
[and- in that topic, the discussion was only half- just slapping incident. But, here- it can be discussed fully. And- the questions rised here are different than what are asked there.

[mbbhat]

These are simple to answer ...

You are great then- ahead of BKs and PBKs. Congratulations.

[fluffy bunny]

That is the kind of sarcasm I was warning you is very poor dharna and not divine at all. It is poison.

Sarcasm: a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt, usually conveyed through irony or understatement.

[mbbhat]

[I am just playing, without any interest. OK, even if my words were so hard, are you so weak to get influenced by them?

[dear soul,

Did you understand at least now, how wrong it is to pass personal comments? It is easy criticize others, but when it rebounds , you cannot catch, right? ]

And- this topic is with PBKs. If you cannot have power to face or tolerate, why should you come in between?

[fluffy bunny]

I am the fruit your karma.

[mbbhat]

I am the fruit your karma

Fine. I have no problem to accept you as my creation/fruit*. Because we believe everything is accurate as per drama.

So- even if you are due to my karma, i will accept you. i have never got upset from you till here. [Of course, in the beginning, i was confused by your chase to my posts.]

* - I agree this also. I am also accounted for this. This is a deep point in karma philosophy. That is- i am making the other person to caught into more and more body consciousness.

this is the reason why Baba sometimes does not give reply to children. Baba says- "kabhee manaa naheen kee jaati hai = Baba never says no"

Because if Baba says "No" to children, then children will be unhappy. Even then they are likely to do such action. and- if Baba says no , then their fault will be doubled, due to

1)already committing the wrong action, 2)violating srimath (Baba's direction).

And why simply spoil the relation with children? so- Baba just keeps good wishes and keeps all the doors open to children to transform in the best possible way.

But, i am not like Baba, is it not? so- what did mbbhat do? He explained due to his ego more than the border. what happened? The other person failed to understand and came into body conscious even more, and the relation also spoiled, right?

So- truth will remain incognito even if it is explained. Hence Baba explains only to the needed extent in needed directions for right people. This is another truth.

But, even then the so called truth seeker will fail to realize this. And that is once again part of truth. So no surprise.

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 38:- Wrong translation in some simple words- eg- BHI/BHEE = ALSO

When a Murli point comes as - "Brahma ko bhi Prajapita kahaa jaataa hai = Brahma is also called as Prajapita*",

PBKs derive the meaning as - there is someone else Prajapita other than (this ) Brahma. This (DL) is just title holder. During the absence of the other one, this also gets the name (title holder) Prajapita.

But, in Hindi, the word meaning of "bhi/bhee" is not just "also" all the time. It does not always imply "another". It is used to stress some point to highlight or give extra importance.. Sometimes it means "even".
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1)SM 3-9-76(2):- shaastron may agadam, bagadam likh dee hai. Baap samjhaate hain aise agar na hotaa toh mujhe aane kee bhee kyaa darkaar hoti. Khaas bhaaratvaasi bilkul hee ultey ban jaate hain. Mujh baap ko bhi kuttey, billi paththar, bhittar, thikkar may le aate hain. Itney moorkh ban jaate hain.

= Mainly Indian become ulta (opposite). They put me also in dogs, cats, stones, etc.

Does this imply people/Indians put someone also in dogs, cats, stones other than the Father?

2) SM 13-9-76(2):- Yahaan toh dukh hai. Isliye patit paavan baap ko bhee yahaan puakaarte hain. = There is sorrow here. Hence, purifier Father is also called here.

Does this imply they call someone else in addition to the Father?

3)SM 3-11-76(3):- Abhi hai Sangamyug. Isko 100 varsh denaa chaahiye. Saari kichchad_patti saaf ho jaaye. Phir kahenge nayi duniyaa. Usmey BHI sab kuch nayaa hogaa. -4- [Sangamyug, BHI]

= Now it is Conf age. It should be given 100 years. full dirt should be cleaned. Then it is said as new world. In that also, everything would be new.

Does this imply, there is some another world where everything is going to be new?

4)SM 9-8-81(3):- Kitney BKKyaan hain. Lowkik Baap ko to karke 8-10, 12-14 bachche honge. ACHCHA ShivBaba BHI HAI PAARLOWKIK BAAP. Unkey to anek bachche hain. Sabhi aatmaayein kahti hain hum sub brothers hain. -160-

=....Good, ShivBaba is also paarlowkik Father. ....

Is there someone who is also called as paarlowkik farther other than ShivBaba?
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* - So- in the above Murli point, it means another name of brahma is Prajapita.

So- the word bhi is used to add something to the same thing/personality and it does not mean there is another personality.

Note:- Grammar is not strictly followed in Murli. So- the place of some words like bhi/also will be at some other place and if not taken right care, it would lead to translational error.