Who is Bharat and who are Bharatwasis ??

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 29-3-16 says: " भारतवासी ही सॉलवेन्ट थे, अब इनसॉलवेन्ट बन गये हैं।"

Who are these Bharatwasis who were solvent before...but have become insolvent now ??
Please share your views.

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 4-4-16 says : "यदा यदाहि....जब भारतवासी अपने धर्म और कर्म को भूल धर्म-भ्रष्ट बन पड़ते हैं तब फिर मैं आता हूँ।"

Who are these Bharatwasis who become dharm-brast and then God comes.
Please share your views.

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 18-4-16 says: " शिवबाबा भारत में ही दिव्य जन्म लेते हैं, जिसकी शिव जयन्ती भी होती है। शिवजयन्ती के बाद फिर चाहिए गीता जयन्ती। फिर साथ-साथ होनी चाहिए कृष्ण जयन्ती। परन्तु इस जयन्ती का राज़ भारतवासी जानते नहीं हैं कि शिव जयन्ती कब हुई! भारतवासियों से पूछो शिवजयन्ती कब हुई? कोई नहीं बतायेंगे। शिव भारत में आया, आकर क्या किया? कोई नहीं जानते।"

WHo are the Bharatwasis who do not know When did Shiv-jayanti take place in Bharat ??
Please share your views.

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 28-4-16 says: " मैं एक तो निष्कामी हूँ और दूसरा पर-उपकारी हूँ। पर-उपकार करता हूँ भारतवासियों पर, जो हमारी ग्लानी करते हैं।"

Who are these Bharatwasis who defame the Father and still Father does a great favour for them ??
Please share your views.

[sita]

The BKs.

[shivsena]

The BKs.

And who are PBKs ??

[sita]

And who are PBKs ??

World benefactors.

[shivsena]

World benefactors.

How many PBKs have benefitted by -Virendra Dev Dixit's jismani-Gyan since 1976?? (forget the world)

[sita]

Thousands. World benefactors, because there is no prejudice about religion, nationality, status, etc.; people are seen with equal vision. In contrast to that, the BKs are attracted to worldly status; and I don't know about others, but at least the PBKs are excluded from their list of people who are to be benefited.

Other difference is that although BKs make a lot of propaganda, in reality what they like is that this world finishes and their golden world comes; whilst for the PBKs, the greatest achievement, reward, happiness and time is there now in the Confluence Age, when all the religions are present and god is present, and souls of all the religions are benefited.

[mbbhat]

Other difference is that although BKs make a lot of propaganda, in reality what they like is that this world finishes and their golden world comes,

Again one more plain lie.
According to BK concept, Conf. Age is the highest, Golden Age is next, which is almost what even PBKs believe.

The main difference is, PBKs believe they have corporeal Chariot all the 24 hours in a day, and the present body itself becomes kanchan-kaya.

Even PBKs were eager to have destruction and have their kanchankaya sooner and send Shiv back to Paramdham by 2008 itself. Post No. 184 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 008#p15003

Their propaganda even says- date of revelation is year 2016, and birth of RK(Radha and Krishna) by 2018. Post No. Flaw No. viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51138&hilit=2016#p51138

Let us see how it goes in drama.

[sita]

For example, BKs don't believe that the rosary of 108 is of souls of all the religions. They are not ready to give high status to the souls of other religions.

How can the Confluence Age be the best, if you have the understanding that its culmination is to leave the body. There cannot be happiness if there is no purity, and BKs don't believe one can become pure in this birth with mind and body. Only in the Golden Age.

[mbbhat]

Silly arguments and mostly going out of topic. Will reply only to couple of posts here, then may reply in other related topics.

For example, BKs don't believe that the rosary of 108 is of souls of all the religions. They are not ready to give high status to the souls of other religions.

Ridiculous arguments. Do PBKs give high status to others? PBKs consider even their own 'Lakshmi' as 'goat', cowardice, etc. PBKs call Krishna or even soul of Krishna as 'ghost'. They have defamed even the titles Shiv or ShivBaba, and brought it to the level of a human being. Their own Trimurti personalities are in a hopeless state - "in their own view"

How can the Confluence Age be the best, if you have the understanding that its culmination is to leave the body. There cannot be happiness if there is no purity and BKs don't believe one can become pure in this birth with mind and body. Only in the Golden Age*.

So what? I said- the belief of PBKs is same as BKs here. Both believe Conf. Age is the best. PBKs may interpret it differently. IF YOU SAY LIKE THIS, IT WILL HAVE VALUE.

For example, just if some people do not understand God to the extent PBKs(or BKs) understand, can we say- "they do not believe in God at all?" IN MANY INSTANCES PBKs make such FALSE ARGUMENTS- which is a crime or lie, beyond imagination.

BTW- We can again see double standards of PBKs. When a question was put to you about experiences- you said-

We cannot use our experiences as arguments. - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1860&p=51198#p51198

But, now are arguing in EXACTLY that manner. BTW, if you are willing to show DEFINITE PROOF for happiness and purity of PBKs, welcome. Can your OWN 'Jagadamba', who is considered to be a 'World Mother' by the PBKs, and who has gone back to 'Vaishalaya', and is indulging in SEX-LUST, be considered to be giving the PROOF of spiritual happiness and PURITY??? Do PBKs ACTUALLY understand what they are talking about, AT ALL???

We can see Mr Dixit dozing while giving drushti. His body is controlled or misused by a 'ghost'. He even slaps some sister during Amrit Vela. Are ALL these - good examples for PURITY and happiness of PBKs?

* - See the LLU of PBKs. Some people believe "soul itself is God". Do you believe their purity and happiness are the highest?
JUST BY SAYING something, we do not achieve anything. You may only say this is our belief. Of course, I agree that- the PBK view is higher than Bk view here** (body also becoming pure).

But, in lowkik, some people believe soul is 'nirlep', 'moksha' is possible. So- if just by saying something, if you believe you stand at top, then you will have to agree the lowkik people to be HIGHER than PBKs, on account of their BLIND BELIEF!!!

**- But, it does not have any logical support or from Murli points. You may show isolated Murli points, BY MISREPRESENTING & MISINTERPRETING them COMPLETELY, but same have been PROVED to be FALSE & MALICIOUS, with the CLEAR clarifications provided with several other Murli points, on this forum. So, it again has value just as a BLIND BELIEF of the PBKs, NOTHING more than that.
Also- PBKs believe just point Shiv is as if 'dead'. So, for them, God himself has no value. In this view- their philosophy goes to dead bottom place from ALL POINTS OF VIEW.

[sita]

In the BK there is no unifying role of God, that He selects elevated souls from every religion and unites them in one thread of one brotherhood, one knowledge and one love, in one gathering like a rosary.

In the BK there is no idea about confluence aged heaven which is enjoyed by the souls of every religion. Although other religions don't come in the Golden and Silver ages, still they know about heaven.
How? BKs don't explain this.

BKs teach others to make effort now and receive the reward in the next life. They are Bharatvasis, because their mind and intellects goes to the world in which there is only Bharat.

Avyakt BapDada has said in the Avyakt Vanis that now people say that you are good and your task is good, but they don't recognize it to be the task of Paramatma. They see it as Baba of the BKs, they don't realize it as our Baba.

If people are thinking like this at present, I don't think something will change. BKs won't change their conception about God, so people will not change the way they see them either.

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 3-5-16 says: " इस समय भारत श्रापित है, बहुत दु:खी है। अब इस रावण पर जीत पानी है।"

Who is this Bharat who is cursed and sorrowful at this time ??
Who is this Ravan who has to be won ??

Please share your views.

[shivsena]

Today's Murli 2-7-16 says: "महिमा सारी उस एक की ही है। भारतवासी महिमा गाते हैं परन्तु समझते कुछ भी नहीं। एकदम पत्थरबुद्धि हो गये हैं। पत्थरबुद्धि किसने बनाया? रावण ने।"

YEH EK kaun hai jiski saari mahima hai ??
Yeh pathar buddhi bharatwasi kaun hai ??
Who is this Ravan who has made bharatwasis patthar buddhi ??

Please share your views.