False Gita, and its effect

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Re: False Gita, and its effects

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jaycdp wrote: 05 Sep 2023 Dear Brother,
both the Abrahamic religion and Brahma Kumaris do not accept the concept of Shiva's Chaitanya avatar. 

BKs accept avtaar of ShivBaba.
If you have different interpretation for avtaar/incarnation, you may ask it in the topic/thread - Questions for BKs.

This is different topic.

But, thank you for your kind reply.
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# Post no. 91)POWER lost value, and VALUE lost POWER

405)Most important things are POLITICAL and RELIGIOUS.

Two highest books are book of laws/rules and book of religion/virtues.

Political Power has highest authority to rule a country.
Religious Power is considered to have highest authority over values.

Presently most of the political leaders are considered to have much lesser value than a common man. Many politicians have criminal record. Most of the people give respect to politicians externally only. Internally (from heart/mind), they do not pay respect.

The religious leaders today have no power, they have to abide rules made by the politicians. [Of course to a certain extent, political power does not interfere in religious activities and vice-versa. That is true. Hence we have already said that these two are the highest powers].

406)The authorities that enforce law are Parliaments, Vidhaan Sabhaas, COURTs and POLICE Stations/Force.
The courts are called as - Temples of Justice. They actually have highest POWER

In some countries, at least in India, government puts a slogan as - Government Work is God's work. In this way, Government or its officials too hijacked the title God! [The phrase "Government Work is God's Work" is inscribed on the entablature of the Vidhana Soudha (main administrative building) in Bengaluru, India. The phrase is also written in Kannada as "Sarkarada kelasa devara kelasa"]

Temples, Churches, Masjids, etc. are considered to be related to VALUE.

407)Most of the people today hesitate to go to Courts and Police Stations. Even though Courts are known as Nyaayaalay (temples of justice), when people enter there, they do not feel that they are in temple. They feel humiliated to be there in courts or police stations.
Majority of the people believ- they should not enter into any court or police station even for once in their lifetime. Suppose if they had to enter, their case/issue should be completed or over as early as possible.

Hence even the eye witnesses also hesitate to go to court and give witness.

So- even though the word TEMPLE is used for these courts by the government, there is no feeling of temple there. It is only after a person wins his case in these courts, he feels to be relaxed or empowered. During the ongoing period of his case in these courts (say a case may take few months to a several years to complete), he does not feel he had been connected to a temple during the period

408)Today, some religious leaders do not believe in the Government courts and wish to have religious courts like- Sharia courts. So- all these lost their powers.

Just imagine- if the power of incorporeal is known to the world in practical sense, these conflicts would have been much less, is it not?

So, summary is- today when you enter any place of power/law, there is no need to maintain any value. It is enough if we maintain a minimum amount of discipline.
Similarly, when you enter a place of worship, you do not feel any power. To earn for food for life, you (majority of the people) need to work at outside places where the government law is being followed/enforced.
People have no real attachment or respect to government law. They do not pay taxes happily.
So- connection of majority of the people to both of these types of temples is practically weak today (in this context).
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# Post no. 92)Few Buddhism believers try to hijack "most ancient religion" status of Hinduism

409) There is conflict in caste/varna system in India. Some activists of Lower varna people in India in their biased research, have started to hijack the status of "the most ancient religion" from Hinduism.

Eg -Video 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm_xqKLzrng

They are countered here by some other persons - Video 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hIwmojiD08

This is in Hindi. [I am yet to know whether this propaganda has started only by Indian Buddhist believers, or others as well].

There is another discussion here - Video 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbySsKW85uU


So- the point is- when the foundation/incorporeal ShivBaba is forgotten, all get confused and begin to claim they are superiors.

410)In Abrahamic religions, Islam claims that God has sent Muhammad as last prophet and Quran is the last scripture. Hence there onwards that scripture only is valid.
But, we can see we have another scripture and a new religion got founded. Eg- Sikh religion and its scripture "Guru Granth Sahib". Hence when another scripture has come after Quran, claim of Quran is the last holy book logically loses value.

So, even when few Buddhist believers try to claim wrongly, they also will lose their value at some or other place.

411)So, the point is- when Hindus committed first mistake by ignoring incorporeal Supreme Soul ShivBaba, other get chance to claim wrong things and the whole world is busy in this wrong competition.
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# Post no. 93)When Gita becomes false, power shifts to other religions:-

412)In Golden and Silver Ages, it is incorporeal plus corporeal are ruling.
Even though it is bodily personalities Suryavamshi (Sun Dynasty) and Chandravamshi(Moon Dynasty) Kings rule in Satyug/Golden Age and TrataYug/Silver Age, incorporeal power is also ruling in incognito way. The corporeal deities do not become body conscious even if they have body.
That is- emotionally deities are like incorporeal, intellectually corporeal. That is, there is balance between Yoga/mind and karma/action/body.
As time passes since there is no input to incorporeal power, it gradually deteriorates and Copper Age comes.

413)But, when number one corporeal deity personality SriKrishna is placed in the seat of incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiva, the NUMBER ONE religion sanatan dharma and NUMBER ONE scripture BhagavadGita gradually and finally lose the real value and power.

414)Degradation is TWO way- Intellectual and Emotional. Intellectual status depends on the power of truth the people have/believe. Emotional status depends on the purity of karma/action the people do.

415)In Abrahamic Religions, the status of God is not disturbed as much as in Hinduism.
They all believe God is incorporeal.
[But, there is no much importance to purity of karma/action. Faith has much higher importance than divinity and humanity there. Eating non-veg is perfectly OK for them. Doing jihad or crusades in the name of God or religion is permitted (or considered holy) there even if such actions are violent and legally considered as crimes. ]

But, the importance for incorporeal God- they have maintained, which is to be highly appreciated.

416)In Hindu religion, even though Gita and Vedas say about extra ordinary status incorporeal God (better than Bible or Quran), majority of Hindus have forgotten importance of incorporeal God Father and mother, and believe all/many things are God. This is a great intellectual degradation. Due to this intellectual degradation, Hindus are caught in numerous festivals and rituals throughout the year.

They even consider Iron Aged Impure Human Gurus as Satgurus and some consider them too as God. In this way, both natural concentration and self esteem in Hindus got deteriorated to a great extent.

But, Hindus believe karma theory. Hence they are not as violent as other major religions in the world. Like other religion believers invaded other countries, forcibly did religious conversions, Hindus did not do so.

It may not be wrong to say- This intellectual degradation is the main cause or one of the primary causes that caused Hindu religion to degrade.

417)One major reason for other religions hating India and Hinduism is- Hindus believe in many Gods.
One of the main commandments in Islam and Christianity is - "Worship none other than ME/GOD". Islam believes God forgives all the sins, except SHIRRK(Placing any other person in the seat of God or to share qualifications of God with anyone).
This SHIRRK in Hinduism began by giving seat of God to number one human deity SriKrishna. And giving seat of Gita Sermonizer to SriKrishna instead of Shiva, thereby transferring the authority over the highest scripture from incorporeal Shiva to SriKrishna caused even a greater damage to Hinduism status.


Islam believes there is no bigger crime than Idol worship. It is worse than carnage.
So, some Islam preachers claim - visiting or working for Hindu temples or Churches is worse than going to have alcohol or drugs.
Eg here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOIw1v3be5A - from time 2:25 to 4:05 .

418)So, placing anyone in the seat of God is a very big crime in other major religions. So, when Hindus say- all are Gods, it gave room to other religions to hate Hindus and increase atrocities against Hindus.
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# Post no. 94)Why correcting Gita is necessary?

419)Due to false Gita (not understanding Gita properly), sanaatan/Hindu religion lost its status.
Later it loses power and wealth. Today western currencies and citizenships have higher value than those of Bharat/India.
So- in this unlimited drama or the time cycle of 5000 years, during the initial 4500 years, India will be powerful and at top of the world. Until eighteenth century, India's GDP had been at lesats or above 22% of global GDP.

420)Other religions, of course intellectually consider God as incorporeal, but due to greed and fear, they thought to increase their population and power, so by hook or crook, by temptation, and forcible means. Intellectually also they brainwash their followers to criticize other religions and hence are caught in fighting among themselves too.
This indicates that even their religious scriptures are false, weak and incomplete.

421)In this exercise, they also fight among themselves as well and world peace is lost. Even though they all believe in incorporeal, they could not unite themselves.

422)Hence correcting Gita is very much necessary, to establish real dharma in the world. Else, even if other religions preach incorporeal status of God, they still will fight among themselves.

423)Hence correcting Gita is necessary. Because it is mother and Father of all the religious scriptures.

424) All scriptures preach about knowledge of creator and creation. Even if sanaatan religion is the most ancient, every religion tries to propagate that their religion is first. Hence they have added many things in their scriptures. It will take around 100 to 200 years for creation of scriptures after their religious leaders preach. [Because first the number of followers should increase to a considerable extent and then they feel realization of a scripture for the group and begin to write.]
In this wrong competition, they have done many errors - one can do google search - "Scientific errors in Bible or Quran".

425) If we add more to the list- When India was invaded, there is a great chance that the invaders tampered Hindu scriptures. This caused more degradation in India and Hinduism.

426)Due to degradation in Hinduism, famous leader like Dr. B R Ambedkar lost faith in Hinduism and adopted Buddhism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-tw ... ropaganda.

427) A considerable portion of the society has become atheist due to the the irreligiousness in all the religions. If time permits, we will add more at a later stage.

428)So- the cause for all these are mainly errors in the scriptures, hence correcting the scriptures is one of the main needs of the hour. Gita is the Father and mother of the scriptures. All the other scriptures are like kids. Hence correcting Gita is the first step in this.
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429)So, summary here is- Due to false Gita, Bharat lost its number one status. Other religious invaders destroyed Shiva temples (Incorporeal Shiva is same as Supreme God Father or Allah!). How would they feel when they realize they have destroyed their own God's temples?! They could not build connection with incorporeal God even if they preach about incorporeal God.

430)Islam and Christianity ban idol worship! Again they lost connection with heaven/deities too. Heaven is their main goal after life. But, they hate deities!
In this way, they can never establish practical connection with ALAF/GOD/Father and BEY/PROPERTY/HEAVEN.
So- even while firmly being believing in God, such religious followers could not become atheist fully. But, they will definitely attain peace/liberation for half a Kalpa in drama(time cycle).

So- the right hierarchy should be known.

--1)First Incorporeal Shree Shree Shiva/God/Allah. - Paramdham - Supreme Abode.
--2)Second level - subtle deities or angels - trimurthis - Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar - Subtle Region - Second highest abode.
--3)Third level - Sun Dynasty Kings - Shree Radha Krishna (Lakshmi Narayan) - double crowned Kings cum Saints - Heaven or deity world - Golden Age
--4)Fourth level - Moon Dynasty Kings - Shree Sita and Ram. - Double crowned Kings cum saints - Heaven or deity world - Silver Age
--5)Fifth level - Human religious fathers - Ibrahim, Buddha, Jesus Christ, etc.- Single/Light Crowned saints - Hell or Human world
--6)Sixth level- Vicious Kings - Vikramadity, Chandragupta Maurya, Harshavardhana, etc. - Single/Golden --crowned Kings. - their list numberwise - Hell or Human World
--7)Seventh Level - Democracy - President of super power countries
--8)Then comes next level - Billionaires like Bill Gates, etc.
--9)Then comes class A officer, Class B officer, Class C officer, etc.
--10)In this way- Upper Class, middle class and lower class people.


This hierarchy should be understood. Else, people will not have right knowledge of creator or creation.
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