False Gita, and its effect
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# Post No. 108 = 106A) Addition to Post No. 106:-
491) In Post No. 106, we were comparing the titles used for God of Gita.
492)Following verses give title/name ISHWAR to God of Gita.
uttamaḥ puruṣhas tv anyaḥ paramātmety udāhṛitaḥ
yo loka-trayam āviśhya bibharty avyaya īśhvaraḥ - 15-17
upadraṣhṭānumantā cha bhartā bhoktā maheśhvaraḥ
paramātmeti chāpy ukto dehe ’smin puruṣhaḥ paraḥ - 13-23
samaṁ sarveṣhu bhūteṣhu tiṣhṭhantaṁ parameśhvaram
vinaśhyatsv avinaśhyantaṁ yaḥ paśhyati Silver Age paśhyati - 13-28
samaṁ paśhyan hi sarvatra samavasthitam īśhvaram
na hinasty ātmanātmānaṁ tato yāti parāṁ gatim - 13-29
bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśhvaram
suhṛidaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ jñātvā māṁ śhāntim ṛichchhati - 05-29
493)Following verses give title Krishna to God of Gita.
a)ye śhāstra-vidhim utsṛijya yajante śhraddhayānvitāḥ
teṣhāṁ niṣhṭhā tu kā kṛiṣhṇa sattvam āho rajas tamaḥ - 17-01
b)na cha śhreyo ’nupaśhyāmi hatvā sva-janam āhave
na kāṅkṣhe vijayaṁ kṛiṣhṇa na cha rājyaṁ sukhāni cha - 1-32
c)yatra yogeśhvaraḥ kṛiṣhṇo yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ
tatra śhrīr vijayo bhūtir dhruvā nītir matir Mama - 18-78*
* - In the last verse, Krishna is given the title Yogeshwar, which looks illogical. Actually/Usually title Ishwar is given for Shiva, not Krishna. Here, it looks as if the title Ishwar is hijacked by Sri Krishna (by the Gita writer/publisher). More on this will be written in next post.
494)Many other titles, eg- Madhusoodhan, Keshav, Hrushikesh, Govinda, etc. too are used for God of Gita.
--Madhusoodhan = One who killed demon Madhu
--Keshav = Hrushikesh = One who killed demon Keshi
--Govinda = Primeval God = One who is at the top/first.
am-uvācha hṛiṣhīkeśhaḥ prahasanniva bhārata
senayorubhayor-madhye viṣhīdantam-idaṁ vachaḥ - 2:10
pāñchajanyaṁ hṛiṣhīkeśho devadattaṁ dhanañjayaḥ
pauṇḍraṁ dadhmau mahā-śhaṅkhaṁ bhīma-karmā vṛikodaraḥ - 1:15
atha vyavasthitān dṛiṣhṭvā dhārtarāṣhṭrān kapi-dhwajaḥ
pravṛitte śhastra-sampāte dhanurudyamya pāṇḍavaḥ
hṛiṣhīkeśhaṁ tadā vākyam idam āha mahī-pate - 2- 20
na cha śhaknomy avasthātuṁ bhramatīva cha me manaḥ
nimittāni cha paśhyāmi viparītāni keśhava - 1-30
na cha śhaknomy avasthātuṁ bhramatīva cha me manaḥ
nimittāni cha paśhyāmi viparītāni keśhava - 1-30
mātulāḥ śhvaśhurāḥ pautrāḥ śhyālāḥ sambandhinas tathā
etān na hantum ichchhāmi ghnato ’pi madhusūdana - 1- 34
arjuna uvācha:
sthāne hṛiṣhīkeśha tava prakīrtyā
jagat prahṛiṣhyaty anurajyate cha
rakṣhānsi bhītāni diśho dravanti
sarve namasyanti cha siddha-saṅghāḥ - 11-36
sannyāsasya mahā-bāho tattvam ichchhāmi veditum
tyāgasya cha hṛiṣhīkeśha pṛithak keśhi-niṣhūdana - 18-01
Whether so many these titles point to incorporeal Shiva or human deity Sri Krishna- is a matter of debate and to have/use intellect to reach to the correct understanding.
491) In Post No. 106, we were comparing the titles used for God of Gita.
492)Following verses give title/name ISHWAR to God of Gita.
uttamaḥ puruṣhas tv anyaḥ paramātmety udāhṛitaḥ
yo loka-trayam āviśhya bibharty avyaya īśhvaraḥ - 15-17
upadraṣhṭānumantā cha bhartā bhoktā maheśhvaraḥ
paramātmeti chāpy ukto dehe ’smin puruṣhaḥ paraḥ - 13-23
samaṁ sarveṣhu bhūteṣhu tiṣhṭhantaṁ parameśhvaram
vinaśhyatsv avinaśhyantaṁ yaḥ paśhyati Silver Age paśhyati - 13-28
samaṁ paśhyan hi sarvatra samavasthitam īśhvaram
na hinasty ātmanātmānaṁ tato yāti parāṁ gatim - 13-29
bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśhvaram
suhṛidaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ jñātvā māṁ śhāntim ṛichchhati - 05-29
493)Following verses give title Krishna to God of Gita.
a)ye śhāstra-vidhim utsṛijya yajante śhraddhayānvitāḥ
teṣhāṁ niṣhṭhā tu kā kṛiṣhṇa sattvam āho rajas tamaḥ - 17-01
b)na cha śhreyo ’nupaśhyāmi hatvā sva-janam āhave
na kāṅkṣhe vijayaṁ kṛiṣhṇa na cha rājyaṁ sukhāni cha - 1-32
c)yatra yogeśhvaraḥ kṛiṣhṇo yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ
tatra śhrīr vijayo bhūtir dhruvā nītir matir Mama - 18-78*
* - In the last verse, Krishna is given the title Yogeshwar, which looks illogical. Actually/Usually title Ishwar is given for Shiva, not Krishna. Here, it looks as if the title Ishwar is hijacked by Sri Krishna (by the Gita writer/publisher). More on this will be written in next post.
494)Many other titles, eg- Madhusoodhan, Keshav, Hrushikesh, Govinda, etc. too are used for God of Gita.
--Madhusoodhan = One who killed demon Madhu
--Keshav = Hrushikesh = One who killed demon Keshi
--Govinda = Primeval God = One who is at the top/first.
am-uvācha hṛiṣhīkeśhaḥ prahasanniva bhārata
senayorubhayor-madhye viṣhīdantam-idaṁ vachaḥ - 2:10
pāñchajanyaṁ hṛiṣhīkeśho devadattaṁ dhanañjayaḥ
pauṇḍraṁ dadhmau mahā-śhaṅkhaṁ bhīma-karmā vṛikodaraḥ - 1:15
atha vyavasthitān dṛiṣhṭvā dhārtarāṣhṭrān kapi-dhwajaḥ
pravṛitte śhastra-sampāte dhanurudyamya pāṇḍavaḥ
hṛiṣhīkeśhaṁ tadā vākyam idam āha mahī-pate - 2- 20
na cha śhaknomy avasthātuṁ bhramatīva cha me manaḥ
nimittāni cha paśhyāmi viparītāni keśhava - 1-30
na cha śhaknomy avasthātuṁ bhramatīva cha me manaḥ
nimittāni cha paśhyāmi viparītāni keśhava - 1-30
mātulāḥ śhvaśhurāḥ pautrāḥ śhyālāḥ sambandhinas tathā
etān na hantum ichchhāmi ghnato ’pi madhusūdana - 1- 34
arjuna uvācha:
sthāne hṛiṣhīkeśha tava prakīrtyā
jagat prahṛiṣhyaty anurajyate cha
rakṣhānsi bhītāni diśho dravanti
sarve namasyanti cha siddha-saṅghāḥ - 11-36
sannyāsasya mahā-bāho tattvam ichchhāmi veditum
tyāgasya cha hṛiṣhīkeśha pṛithak keśhi-niṣhūdana - 18-01
Whether so many these titles point to incorporeal Shiva or human deity Sri Krishna- is a matter of debate and to have/use intellect to reach to the correct understanding.
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Re: False Gita, and its effects
# Post No. 109)-What is God's original/unique/real name?
# Post No. 110)-False Gita also has a role in forgetting God's real name:-
495) Take example of RICE. In English it is called rice, in Hindi it is called CHAAVAL. In different languages/regions/culture, its name changes. Because rice is an object. It can be owned by different people. Hence different people call it by different names. So- RICE does not have any unique/original name.
Also- note that- rice is not a master of itself in all aspects. It can have its own unique qualities and taste. In this aspect, it can be felt as master to some for some limited time. But, it is perishable and its both form and qualities change with respect to time.
Moreover, it can be burnt into ashes and immediately both its name and form change. Hence all the material objects are called as MITHYA/UNREAL/TEMPORARY/MORTAL, etc., because their existence in the same name and form do not exist always.
496)take example of animals. In English if we call an animal as DOG, the same will be called as KUTTA in Hindi. Because we human beings are superior to animals. Hence we call them as we choose. If a dog is owned by someone, then the owner may give any name to his dog as per his choice.
497)Take example of places. In English if we call a place as Delhi, in Hindi it can be called as Dilli, etc. Because it can be owned by others. Many people will build their houses/shops and they will keep different names for their parts in the land.
[But, as a whole, the name of a place usually do not change wrt time, because places have higher lifespan than their owners. Land/Nature has eternal existence. Physical body will perish and gets vanished fully, say within a hundred years, but land remains in the same form almost to a great extent. It does not get vanished like human or animal bodies. Hence even though it is human being who rules the land, still land's name remain same can centuries or millennium. ]
[But- when a land/place/Kingdom is conquered by other Kings, name of even the land can change if the new owner wishes. Similarly, when a state is divided into different parts, new names get introduced. ].
So- the point is - when any operation is done on the land by human beings, its name can get changed.
Even earth is called by different names in different language/religion/cultures.
498)Take example of human beings. Eg- Ramesh. In India, he would be called as Ramesh, in any country/language, he would be called by the same name.
Because human beings have the highest status in this world (after God, but all do not believe God). Each human being is seen as owner of himself. Hence a person's name cannot be changed without his/her permission.
[Till a child attains maturity, parents are its owners. Hence parents have right to give any name for their children. But after that the person only is owner of himself/herself.]
499)But, when a person changes his/her religion, his name changes. Why? Because the person admits superiority of religion over himself! Hence his name changes. Hence names in each religion follow different categories, is it not.
500)So- the point is- one who is superior, his name do not change often.
501)Take example of a soul. A soul is invisible. Also a soul has no role without its body. Hence a soul is recognized by its body. Hence a soul gets name according to the body it takes.
As the body changes (in different births), its name also changes (even though the soul remains the same). The reason is- any soul is affected by body to some or other extent. A soul is bound in a body throughout its lifespan in that birth. Hence name is given to the body instead of soul.
[A soul's form remains the same for eternal period, but its quality changes as per the body and actions.
Hence we call them by pure soul, impure soul, divine soul, religious soul, powerful soul, weak soul, happy soul, unhappy soul, etc. So- a soul will still be given name of the category to which it belongs.]
501)Take example of God (Supreme Soul). God is most superior, that is Supreme. Both form and quality of Supreme Soul remains same for eternal period.
No one will measure God as weak God, powerful God, pure God, impure God, etc. Because God is eternally pure, powerful, blissful, etc.
Since God remains AS HE IS- for eternal period, God alone is called as TRUTH. So- God should have an eternal name, is it not?
502) God's real name is SHIV.
That is why the title SADAA_SHIV is famous. No other name has prefix SADAA. SADAA means ALWAYS.
No deity has prefix SADAA. No one calls SadaaRam, SadaaKrishn, etc. This implies even the deities die(their physical body gets perished) and take rebirths. In next births, their names will get change as per their physical parents choose. Their form/appearance do not remain in the same way always.
So- It means SHIV alone remains as SHIV/SAME always, because Shiv is above birth and deaths, because HE is incorporeal. God has no parents, hence HE is called God Father, unlimited Father (Param_Pita).
503)A human being can have additional names like nickname and according to one's deeds. But his original name will not be affected(unless the owner himself chooses) even after getting nicknames.
Similarly, God can get additional names due to his extraordinary auspicious qualities and deeds. But, his original name Shiv cannot change. It remains unaffected.
504)A lower authority cannot keep or change name of its authority. A human cannot be called by an arbitrary name by any other person without his permission. If people call a same person by many different names without knowing his original name, it implies that they do not know his real/complete introduction.
Today- we can see different religions calling God by different names- Allah, Jehova, etc. Even in one religion, God has been given numerous, thousands of names.
No doubt, all these many names are valid due to unlimited qualities of God. But, ignorance of his original name, form, qualities, etc. is the root cause for difference in opinions and conflicts in them.
Names Allah, Jehova, etc. came later after the establishment of the respective religion. But, Hinduism is the most ancient.
505) Some may argue Allah or Jehova is the real name of God. But, is there any prefix that means ALWAYS with these names? Kindly provide if anyone has. [No doubt Allah, Jehova, etc. point to the same incorporeal God to whom the name Shiv points. But, what we try to say is- the original name is Shiv.]
506)Practically, if we see- most ancient temples in India are of Shiva temples, and Hinduism is the most ancient civilization, or at least one of the most ancient civilization. If any other civilization uses prefix ALWAYS to their God's name, kindly provide. We can do further discussions.
Shiv_Ling is also called as Jyotir_Ling, means God's ling/symbol/form is mainly/only light.
507)Since God is the Highest Authority, no one has right to call God by any name as he likes..
But, God is most humble. He does not object. Hence God is called by many names. [And- many of these names are correct as devotees consider HIM as the highest]. Hence the saying - God is one, but names are many.
But, unfortunately, people have forgotten his real name. And, it may not be wrong to say - False Gita is also one of the greatest causes for this loss.
# Post No. 110)-False Gita also has a role in forgetting God's real name:-
495) Take example of RICE. In English it is called rice, in Hindi it is called CHAAVAL. In different languages/regions/culture, its name changes. Because rice is an object. It can be owned by different people. Hence different people call it by different names. So- RICE does not have any unique/original name.
Also- note that- rice is not a master of itself in all aspects. It can have its own unique qualities and taste. In this aspect, it can be felt as master to some for some limited time. But, it is perishable and its both form and qualities change with respect to time.
Moreover, it can be burnt into ashes and immediately both its name and form change. Hence all the material objects are called as MITHYA/UNREAL/TEMPORARY/MORTAL, etc., because their existence in the same name and form do not exist always.
496)take example of animals. In English if we call an animal as DOG, the same will be called as KUTTA in Hindi. Because we human beings are superior to animals. Hence we call them as we choose. If a dog is owned by someone, then the owner may give any name to his dog as per his choice.
497)Take example of places. In English if we call a place as Delhi, in Hindi it can be called as Dilli, etc. Because it can be owned by others. Many people will build their houses/shops and they will keep different names for their parts in the land.
[But, as a whole, the name of a place usually do not change wrt time, because places have higher lifespan than their owners. Land/Nature has eternal existence. Physical body will perish and gets vanished fully, say within a hundred years, but land remains in the same form almost to a great extent. It does not get vanished like human or animal bodies. Hence even though it is human being who rules the land, still land's name remain same can centuries or millennium. ]
[But- when a land/place/Kingdom is conquered by other Kings, name of even the land can change if the new owner wishes. Similarly, when a state is divided into different parts, new names get introduced. ].
So- the point is - when any operation is done on the land by human beings, its name can get changed.
Even earth is called by different names in different language/religion/cultures.
498)Take example of human beings. Eg- Ramesh. In India, he would be called as Ramesh, in any country/language, he would be called by the same name.
Because human beings have the highest status in this world (after God, but all do not believe God). Each human being is seen as owner of himself. Hence a person's name cannot be changed without his/her permission.
[Till a child attains maturity, parents are its owners. Hence parents have right to give any name for their children. But after that the person only is owner of himself/herself.]
499)But, when a person changes his/her religion, his name changes. Why? Because the person admits superiority of religion over himself! Hence his name changes. Hence names in each religion follow different categories, is it not.
500)So- the point is- one who is superior, his name do not change often.
501)Take example of a soul. A soul is invisible. Also a soul has no role without its body. Hence a soul is recognized by its body. Hence a soul gets name according to the body it takes.
As the body changes (in different births), its name also changes (even though the soul remains the same). The reason is- any soul is affected by body to some or other extent. A soul is bound in a body throughout its lifespan in that birth. Hence name is given to the body instead of soul.
[A soul's form remains the same for eternal period, but its quality changes as per the body and actions.
Hence we call them by pure soul, impure soul, divine soul, religious soul, powerful soul, weak soul, happy soul, unhappy soul, etc. So- a soul will still be given name of the category to which it belongs.]
501)Take example of God (Supreme Soul). God is most superior, that is Supreme. Both form and quality of Supreme Soul remains same for eternal period.
No one will measure God as weak God, powerful God, pure God, impure God, etc. Because God is eternally pure, powerful, blissful, etc.
Since God remains AS HE IS- for eternal period, God alone is called as TRUTH. So- God should have an eternal name, is it not?
502) God's real name is SHIV.
That is why the title SADAA_SHIV is famous. No other name has prefix SADAA. SADAA means ALWAYS.
No deity has prefix SADAA. No one calls SadaaRam, SadaaKrishn, etc. This implies even the deities die(their physical body gets perished) and take rebirths. In next births, their names will get change as per their physical parents choose. Their form/appearance do not remain in the same way always.
So- It means SHIV alone remains as SHIV/SAME always, because Shiv is above birth and deaths, because HE is incorporeal. God has no parents, hence HE is called God Father, unlimited Father (Param_Pita).
503)A human being can have additional names like nickname and according to one's deeds. But his original name will not be affected(unless the owner himself chooses) even after getting nicknames.
Similarly, God can get additional names due to his extraordinary auspicious qualities and deeds. But, his original name Shiv cannot change. It remains unaffected.
504)A lower authority cannot keep or change name of its authority. A human cannot be called by an arbitrary name by any other person without his permission. If people call a same person by many different names without knowing his original name, it implies that they do not know his real/complete introduction.
Today- we can see different religions calling God by different names- Allah, Jehova, etc. Even in one religion, God has been given numerous, thousands of names.
No doubt, all these many names are valid due to unlimited qualities of God. But, ignorance of his original name, form, qualities, etc. is the root cause for difference in opinions and conflicts in them.
Names Allah, Jehova, etc. came later after the establishment of the respective religion. But, Hinduism is the most ancient.
505) Some may argue Allah or Jehova is the real name of God. But, is there any prefix that means ALWAYS with these names? Kindly provide if anyone has. [No doubt Allah, Jehova, etc. point to the same incorporeal God to whom the name Shiv points. But, what we try to say is- the original name is Shiv.]
506)Practically, if we see- most ancient temples in India are of Shiva temples, and Hinduism is the most ancient civilization, or at least one of the most ancient civilization. If any other civilization uses prefix ALWAYS to their God's name, kindly provide. We can do further discussions.
Shiv_Ling is also called as Jyotir_Ling, means God's ling/symbol/form is mainly/only light.
507)Since God is the Highest Authority, no one has right to call God by any name as he likes..
But, God is most humble. He does not object. Hence God is called by many names. [And- many of these names are correct as devotees consider HIM as the highest]. Hence the saying - God is one, but names are many.
But, unfortunately, people have forgotten his real name. And, it may not be wrong to say - False Gita is also one of the greatest causes for this loss.
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Re: False Gita, and its effects
Post No. 111) Shiva's Supremacy:-
510)Oldest temples in world or at least in India are of Shiva temples. 12 Jyotirling temples are highly famous. Temples of Krishna, Ram, etc. got established later only. This implies initially, there had been worship of only Shiva in Hinduism.
There are temples Rameshwar, Gopeshwar, which indicate Sri Ram and Sri Krishna worshipped Shiva. There are no temples indicating Shiva worshipped anyone. Hence it indicates Shiva is Supreme.
511)
a)Glory and Richness of Shiva Temples is (or had been) much more than other temples.
b)Words "Knowledge/jnaan/gyaan, Yoga, yagy/yajn" are associated with Shiv/Ishwar/Rudr (plus Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh)*, not with Krishna. That is- Shiv_Gyaan, Gyaaneshwar, Yogeshwar, Rudr_yagy, etc, Brahm_gyaan, etc. are famous. There is no word such as Krishn_gyaan, Ram_gyaan, Krishn_yagy, Ram-yagy, Krishn_Yoga, Yoga_Krishn, etc.
d)The third eye of knowledge, (divine intellect and wisdom) is also shown to Shiv, none else. HE alone is called as TRI_NETRI (One who has third eye)
e)The highest word TRUTH/SATY/SATHY is associated with only God (the saying- "God is Truth"), as well as with Shiv (the saying- "Sathyam, Shivam, Sundaram".
f)In scriptures, Shiva alone is shown as having ability to drink poison. It means God Shiva has ability to eradicate vices from us. No other deity is shown as able to drink poison.
[Rudr, Ishwar are other names for Shiv].
Hence all the spiritual titles are associated with Shiv (and his helpers Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh)*, not to Krishna or Ram, etc.
* - How Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh, etc. are helpers of God Shiva- will be explained later.
512) Comparing meanings of names between Shiv and Krishna.
Meaning of Shiv = kalyaanakaari = Benefactor
Meaning of Ishwar = Master or Supreme.
Meaning of Rudr = The one who eradicates problems from their roots, One who drives away evil, One who is praiseworthy.
Meaning of Krishna is "Attractive, black/blue, etc".
From this point of view also, Shiva is highly superior to Krishna.
So- we can see meaning/status of Shiva stands much higher to Krishna.
513)Hence it is easy to judge that Shiva is Supreme from all the three ways-
---according to Gita verses(from Post No. 106 to 108),
---according to greatness of temples (from to point no. 510 and 511above), and
---according to name interpretations (from point No. 512 above)
514)So- the names- Madhusoodhan, Keshav, etc- these all indicate to kill demonic/vicious qualities that exist in our mind. [Actually God does not kill physically anyone. He gives us power to kill/eradicate vices in our mind and intellect through power of spiritual knowledge]. So-I think all these names apply to incorporeal God Shiva instead of deity Krishna.
515)So- I think the title "Yogeshwar Krishna" mentioned in the verse 18-78 (given in Post No. 108) is obviously erroneous. Because how can Krishna get title Yogeshwar? I think such verses are due to ignorance or adulteration. Readers are free to judge according to their analysis.
516)Or if anyone says- Shiva, Krishna, Brahma, etc. all refer to same God, even then, what is God's real/permanent/eternal name? - this question needs to be addressed.
If anyone claims God does not have single eternal name, then the claim of "God is truth" becomes false. Because if God's name too changes like human beings according to the body, then God's importance reduces.
[We human beings get many/different names in different bodies/births. So- if God's name also changes as Krishna(while being in body named Krishna), Ram (while being in body named Ram), etc, then God's importance reduces.] Of course, there is no wrong if God is called/praised by many names. But, HE SHOULD HAVE AN ENETRNAL NAME WHICH IS UNIQUE.
517)If anyone claims name Krishna is related to the soul, and not to the/his physical body, then we devotees should not meditate the soul form of Krishna, not the body form of Krishna.
Not only that- In Krishna temples, soul/ling form of Krishna should have been placed to worship, not bodily form, is it not?
518Hence as already said- God should have eternal name to HIS soul itself. That is Shiva- as already said. We can see- in Shiva temples ling(indication of incorporeal form) is placed, and that ling is called as Jyotir_Ling, meaning Light Symbol. [Jyoti = Light, Ling = Symbol]
All other deities' statues in temples are worshipped in bodily forms. This also implies names of all other deities apply to their bodies, not to soul (means that name is temporary for that birth only).
519)Now, a question arises- Why name Shiva is not mentioned in the Gita verses? Why instead ISHWAR and BHAGAVAAN are used there?
Words ISHWAR or BHAGAVAAN/BHAGAVAN stands for SUPREME, MASTER. These names are not related to body.
For example- title "Father of NATION of India" (here ISHWAR or BHAGAVAAN) or MOHANDAS KARAMCHAND GANDHI (here Shiva) both can be used to address that position.
But name of any other person is not valid for the post of Father of nation of India. Similarly, name of deity Krishna is not valid for the position of God and God of Gita.
510)Oldest temples in world or at least in India are of Shiva temples. 12 Jyotirling temples are highly famous. Temples of Krishna, Ram, etc. got established later only. This implies initially, there had been worship of only Shiva in Hinduism.
There are temples Rameshwar, Gopeshwar, which indicate Sri Ram and Sri Krishna worshipped Shiva. There are no temples indicating Shiva worshipped anyone. Hence it indicates Shiva is Supreme.
511)
a)Glory and Richness of Shiva Temples is (or had been) much more than other temples.
b)Words "Knowledge/jnaan/gyaan, Yoga, yagy/yajn" are associated with Shiv/Ishwar/Rudr (plus Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh)*, not with Krishna. That is- Shiv_Gyaan, Gyaaneshwar, Yogeshwar, Rudr_yagy, etc, Brahm_gyaan, etc. are famous. There is no word such as Krishn_gyaan, Ram_gyaan, Krishn_yagy, Ram-yagy, Krishn_Yoga, Yoga_Krishn, etc.
d)The third eye of knowledge, (divine intellect and wisdom) is also shown to Shiv, none else. HE alone is called as TRI_NETRI (One who has third eye)
e)The highest word TRUTH/SATY/SATHY is associated with only God (the saying- "God is Truth"), as well as with Shiv (the saying- "Sathyam, Shivam, Sundaram".
f)In scriptures, Shiva alone is shown as having ability to drink poison. It means God Shiva has ability to eradicate vices from us. No other deity is shown as able to drink poison.
[Rudr, Ishwar are other names for Shiv].
Hence all the spiritual titles are associated with Shiv (and his helpers Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh)*, not to Krishna or Ram, etc.
* - How Brahma, Saraswati, Ganesh, etc. are helpers of God Shiva- will be explained later.
512) Comparing meanings of names between Shiv and Krishna.
Meaning of Shiv = kalyaanakaari = Benefactor
Meaning of Ishwar = Master or Supreme.
Meaning of Rudr = The one who eradicates problems from their roots, One who drives away evil, One who is praiseworthy.
Meaning of Krishna is "Attractive, black/blue, etc".
From this point of view also, Shiva is highly superior to Krishna.
So- we can see meaning/status of Shiva stands much higher to Krishna.
513)Hence it is easy to judge that Shiva is Supreme from all the three ways-
---according to Gita verses(from Post No. 106 to 108),
---according to greatness of temples (from to point no. 510 and 511above), and
---according to name interpretations (from point No. 512 above)
514)So- the names- Madhusoodhan, Keshav, etc- these all indicate to kill demonic/vicious qualities that exist in our mind. [Actually God does not kill physically anyone. He gives us power to kill/eradicate vices in our mind and intellect through power of spiritual knowledge]. So-I think all these names apply to incorporeal God Shiva instead of deity Krishna.
515)So- I think the title "Yogeshwar Krishna" mentioned in the verse 18-78 (given in Post No. 108) is obviously erroneous. Because how can Krishna get title Yogeshwar? I think such verses are due to ignorance or adulteration. Readers are free to judge according to their analysis.
516)Or if anyone says- Shiva, Krishna, Brahma, etc. all refer to same God, even then, what is God's real/permanent/eternal name? - this question needs to be addressed.
If anyone claims God does not have single eternal name, then the claim of "God is truth" becomes false. Because if God's name too changes like human beings according to the body, then God's importance reduces.
[We human beings get many/different names in different bodies/births. So- if God's name also changes as Krishna(while being in body named Krishna), Ram (while being in body named Ram), etc, then God's importance reduces.] Of course, there is no wrong if God is called/praised by many names. But, HE SHOULD HAVE AN ENETRNAL NAME WHICH IS UNIQUE.
517)If anyone claims name Krishna is related to the soul, and not to the/his physical body, then we devotees should not meditate the soul form of Krishna, not the body form of Krishna.
Not only that- In Krishna temples, soul/ling form of Krishna should have been placed to worship, not bodily form, is it not?
518Hence as already said- God should have eternal name to HIS soul itself. That is Shiva- as already said. We can see- in Shiva temples ling(indication of incorporeal form) is placed, and that ling is called as Jyotir_Ling, meaning Light Symbol. [Jyoti = Light, Ling = Symbol]
All other deities' statues in temples are worshipped in bodily forms. This also implies names of all other deities apply to their bodies, not to soul (means that name is temporary for that birth only).
519)Now, a question arises- Why name Shiva is not mentioned in the Gita verses? Why instead ISHWAR and BHAGAVAAN are used there?
Words ISHWAR or BHAGAVAAN/BHAGAVAN stands for SUPREME, MASTER. These names are not related to body.
For example- title "Father of NATION of India" (here ISHWAR or BHAGAVAAN) or MOHANDAS KARAMCHAND GANDHI (here Shiva) both can be used to address that position.
But name of any other person is not valid for the post of Father of nation of India. Similarly, name of deity Krishna is not valid for the position of God and God of Gita.
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# Post No. 112)Introduction of God and Soul:-
521) Incorporeal Shiva is praised as
Ocean of Knowledge,
Ocean of bliss,
Ocean of of purity,
Ocean of happiness,
Ocean of all virtues,
Above Birth and Death
Above Pleasure and Pain
Unlimited Father, Mother, Teacher, Preceptor
Incorporeal (Niraakaari) or bodiless
Viceless (Nirvikaari)
Ego-less (Nir_Ahankaari)
Non-violent
Bestower of Peace and Happiness
Bestower of liberation and liberation-in-life.
Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram, etc, etc.
Everpure, Purifier
Conqueror of death.
Avyakt (non-Physical or metaphysical)
Sathyam Shivam Sundaram (Truth and Beautiful/Pure)
God's form is divine light and might, HIS size is tiny point. For worshipping, ling form is given in temples and pictures.]
522)Pure corporeal deity Sri Krishna is praised as-
Complete in all virtues,
Complete in 16 arts,
Completely vice-less,
Completely non-violent
Maryaadaa Purushottam,
Shyam_Sundaram (Black/Impure and Beautiful/Pure).
Both soul and body of Krishna are completely pure. The body does not get sweat, does not emit bad smell, but emits good smell. Body will be perfect without any smallest defect.
We can see the praise of incorporeal God is much higher than corporeal deity.
523)Since name Krishna applies to the body, it implies soul of Krishna (= soul residing in the body named Krishna) takes other births too.
Hence Krishna has title Shyaam_Sundar, means Krishna's stage changes from Sundar/Pure to Shyam/Impure/black/blue. This indicates the completely pure(SUNDAR) soul Krishna becomes completely impure (SHYAM) after many births. Hence logically speaking, to pass from full pure to fully impure stage, the soul should take more/many number of bodies/births. The influence of body only can make a soul impure. So- logically speaking, from the title Shyam_Sundar, soul of Krishna should go through many births.
Different births of soul of Krishna - we will explain later.
# Post No. 113)Meaning of NIRAAKAAR/INCOPOREAL:-
524)From the title Niraakaar, many people consider God has no form. But, aakaar means dimension, not form.
aakaar = dimension
Nir = Nil
Nir_aakaar = dimensionless.
So- niraakaar means dimensionless, not formless.
Take a solid material(eg- Box). It has all the three dimensions- length, breadth, and width/height/thickness.
Take a thin plane material. It has only two dimensions- length and breadth.
Take a line - It has only one dimension - length. Other two aakaars/dimensions are zero.
Take a point. It has no dimensions, means all the three values are zero. But, it does not mean that it is formless. It has a form, that is point-form.
So- niraakaar means dimension-less.
It means God is point.
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525)Soul is also point-form/dimensionless/niraakaar.
But, a soul is influenced by its body (when it is in ignorance or forget-full stage).
The body is directly related to soul. A soul is owner of its body.
When we practice soul/incorporeal conscious stage, or consider soul as separate than body, we also can say- I am bodiless (= I the soul is separate/different than the body).
526)Soul is like a driver, and the body is like a car/vehicle/Chariot - this is also said in Gita. Verses will be put later.
Other examples are -
Soul is like owner, body is house,
Body is dress/chappal/shoes, and soul is the one that wears it.
Body is like instrument, soul is the operator.
Soul is like a battery, and the body is like the load circuit.
527)God (Supreme Soul) has no body of HIS own. So- God is not only separate than body, but also incorporeal/Supreme conscious all the time.
Hence the title/praise INCORPOREAL is given to God.
When we get knowledge of soul and God, we also become incorporeal conscious (Self and Supreme conscious).
528)
Jeev/Jiv = body
Jeevaatma = Soul in a body = also known as Living Soul .
In other words, Jeevaatma = driver on duty.
Just soul/atma/soul = driver at perfect rest or leave.
During sleep, we can say - Driver/soul on ordinary rest.
529)A soul has direct connection only with its body. In other words, a soul can operate/use anything only through its body. Without body, it is as good as a soul is fully isolated/disconnected.
Hence when we say- I am bodiless, it means "I am (Soul is) different than body". It is method of practicing soul-conscious stage or first step of spiritual knowledge and meditation (spiritual practice).
Hence when we use the term bodiless, it indicates the soul separate than body- that is the point.
Hence terms bodiless or incorporeal - both practically mean the same.
Bodiless stage = soul conscious stage
530)Physically "bodiless state" means- soul outside the body.
Spiritually, "bodiless state" means - soul within the body or outside the body, but being in soul-conscious stage" or "soul within the body or outside the body that is- fully pure without any sin or impure karmic account".
In other words-
Physically bodiless stage" means" a battery that is isolated".
Spiritually bodiless stage means "a battery that is being charged or fully charged". Means either having connection with power source (God) or that is fully charged/purified.
521) Incorporeal Shiva is praised as
Ocean of Knowledge,
Ocean of bliss,
Ocean of of purity,
Ocean of happiness,
Ocean of all virtues,
Above Birth and Death
Above Pleasure and Pain
Unlimited Father, Mother, Teacher, Preceptor
Incorporeal (Niraakaari) or bodiless
Viceless (Nirvikaari)
Ego-less (Nir_Ahankaari)
Non-violent
Bestower of Peace and Happiness
Bestower of liberation and liberation-in-life.
Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram, etc, etc.
Everpure, Purifier
Conqueror of death.
Avyakt (non-Physical or metaphysical)
Sathyam Shivam Sundaram (Truth and Beautiful/Pure)
God's form is divine light and might, HIS size is tiny point. For worshipping, ling form is given in temples and pictures.]
522)Pure corporeal deity Sri Krishna is praised as-
Complete in all virtues,
Complete in 16 arts,
Completely vice-less,
Completely non-violent
Maryaadaa Purushottam,
Shyam_Sundaram (Black/Impure and Beautiful/Pure).
Both soul and body of Krishna are completely pure. The body does not get sweat, does not emit bad smell, but emits good smell. Body will be perfect without any smallest defect.
We can see the praise of incorporeal God is much higher than corporeal deity.
523)Since name Krishna applies to the body, it implies soul of Krishna (= soul residing in the body named Krishna) takes other births too.
Hence Krishna has title Shyaam_Sundar, means Krishna's stage changes from Sundar/Pure to Shyam/Impure/black/blue. This indicates the completely pure(SUNDAR) soul Krishna becomes completely impure (SHYAM) after many births. Hence logically speaking, to pass from full pure to fully impure stage, the soul should take more/many number of bodies/births. The influence of body only can make a soul impure. So- logically speaking, from the title Shyam_Sundar, soul of Krishna should go through many births.
Different births of soul of Krishna - we will explain later.
# Post No. 113)Meaning of NIRAAKAAR/INCOPOREAL:-
524)From the title Niraakaar, many people consider God has no form. But, aakaar means dimension, not form.
aakaar = dimension
Nir = Nil
Nir_aakaar = dimensionless.
So- niraakaar means dimensionless, not formless.
Take a solid material(eg- Box). It has all the three dimensions- length, breadth, and width/height/thickness.
Take a thin plane material. It has only two dimensions- length and breadth.
Take a line - It has only one dimension - length. Other two aakaars/dimensions are zero.
Take a point. It has no dimensions, means all the three values are zero. But, it does not mean that it is formless. It has a form, that is point-form.
So- niraakaar means dimension-less.
It means God is point.
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525)Soul is also point-form/dimensionless/niraakaar.
But, a soul is influenced by its body (when it is in ignorance or forget-full stage).
The body is directly related to soul. A soul is owner of its body.
When we practice soul/incorporeal conscious stage, or consider soul as separate than body, we also can say- I am bodiless (= I the soul is separate/different than the body).
526)Soul is like a driver, and the body is like a car/vehicle/Chariot - this is also said in Gita. Verses will be put later.
Other examples are -
Soul is like owner, body is house,
Body is dress/chappal/shoes, and soul is the one that wears it.
Body is like instrument, soul is the operator.
Soul is like a battery, and the body is like the load circuit.
527)God (Supreme Soul) has no body of HIS own. So- God is not only separate than body, but also incorporeal/Supreme conscious all the time.
Hence the title/praise INCORPOREAL is given to God.
When we get knowledge of soul and God, we also become incorporeal conscious (Self and Supreme conscious).
528)
Jeev/Jiv = body
Jeevaatma = Soul in a body = also known as Living Soul .
In other words, Jeevaatma = driver on duty.
Just soul/atma/soul = driver at perfect rest or leave.
During sleep, we can say - Driver/soul on ordinary rest.
529)A soul has direct connection only with its body. In other words, a soul can operate/use anything only through its body. Without body, it is as good as a soul is fully isolated/disconnected.
Hence when we say- I am bodiless, it means "I am (Soul is) different than body". It is method of practicing soul-conscious stage or first step of spiritual knowledge and meditation (spiritual practice).
Hence when we use the term bodiless, it indicates the soul separate than body- that is the point.
Hence terms bodiless or incorporeal - both practically mean the same.
Bodiless stage = soul conscious stage
530)Physically "bodiless state" means- soul outside the body.
Spiritually, "bodiless state" means - soul within the body or outside the body, but being in soul-conscious stage" or "soul within the body or outside the body that is- fully pure without any sin or impure karmic account".
In other words-
Physically bodiless stage" means" a battery that is isolated".
Spiritually bodiless stage means "a battery that is being charged or fully charged". Means either having connection with power source (God) or that is fully charged/purified.
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Re: False Gita, and its effect
531)In a Gita verse the title ISHWAR is also given to human soul. Because a soul is master/owner of its body. That is not very important here. But still put here. When I get the verse, I will put. Else, it is not important.
# Post No. 114)CONFUSION (AND ITS REMOVAL) ABOUT FORM OF SOUL AND Supreme Soul IN SCRIPTURES:-
532)Even though size of soul is mentioned as tiny point, many other verses/mantras say different. For example Swetavatsara Upanishad 05: 08 soul is thumb size. https://www.esamskriti.com/e/Spirituali ... God-2.aspx
Chapter 05 Mantra/Verse 8
aṅguṣṭhamātro ravitulyarūpaḥ saṃkalpāhaṃkārasamanvito yaḥ /
buddher guṇenātmaguṇena caiva ārāgramātro hy avaro 'pi dṛṣṭaḥ // 5.8 //
Of the size of a thumb, but brilliant, like the sun, the jiva possesses both volition and egoism. It is endowed with the qualities of both buddhi and Atman. Therefore it is seen as another entity (as different from Brahman) and as small as the point of a needle.
Even though form of Supreme Soul is mentioned as point in Gita (Refer Posts No. 73 and 104), God's form is also mentioned as Vishwaroop, brighter than thousands of sun, etc.
Hence there is confusion.
533)When there is confusion, it becomes duty of a learner/devotee to do some homework by churning on all these verses and come into right conclusion.
The best way to proceed in this homework is to churn on the highest attributes - like -
-Truth (Saty),
Knowledge (Gyaan),
Yoga/Meditation
Niraakaar (Dimensionless),
Character (Divine Virtues),
Bliss,
etc.
An attempt is made in this topic -(mainly Post No.s from 108 to 113, and at other posts too) in interpreting these highest words.
Hence our thinking says- Form of both God and Supreme Soul should be point.
534)ESSENCE has a great value in tiny space. Today, due to nanotechnology, large amount of data can be stored in small space, and sophisticated techniques can be derived from tiny devices. Power in a nuclear bomb is very large - even though the quantity of the nuclear fuel is very much less when compared to other fuels.
A gram of snake poison has potential to kill up to around one hundred people. Some very small doses of medicines- also have very high effects.
Similarly, the soul, even though is tiny point in size, it has a such a capacity to store karmic accounts of numerous births and influence body, and the world.
For example- in Hinduism, deities (eg- Durga, Kali) are shown with 6 or 8 or 10 hands. These hands do not exist physically. It indicates different powers in the soul which ordinary human being do not have.
Eg-
Power to tolerate
Power to discriminate
Power to adjust
Power to judge
Power to face
Power to Pack Up, etc.
535)Similarly, when we think of Vishwaroop of God, it indicates HE is Supreme, above all. It does not indicate size of God is large. Gold's value is higher. So, small size will value higher than Copper, Iron, etc.
Similarly, if God or deities also need 6, 8, 10 hand to operate, it makes God as subordinate to nature. Because in todays technology, pressing a button can do lot many things.
So- expecting God or deities to use hands physically to do actions, will underrate value of God and deities.
536)A point to be thought is - If size of soul is thumb size, then when a person dies (= when the soul leaves the body), there should have been some sort of opening in the body - in the direction where soul left the body, is it not? But, practically, we do not see any wound or damage in the body when a soul leaves its body.
537)Hence - after the churning - we can come to the conclusion that - the highest miracles in the world are Soul and Supreme Soul- that is even though they are very tiny point forms, they are the most important entities in the universe. It is this small size metaphysical entities that use and/or direct the Universe.
538) A supporting point- even from practical point of view is - In Hinduism, point/dot on forehead has the highest significance. For every deity, a dot is placed on forehead. Even for Shiv_Ling, a dot is put in its centre with three parallel horizontal lines together.
The dot in the ling indicates- Shiv is not as big as the ling stone. HE is just a point.
The three lines indicate- Shiv is trikaaladarshi (one who can see three aspects of time- past, present and future), trinetri (eye of wisdom), trilokinaath (owner of all the Three Worlds), Trimurti (creator of the trinity deities- Brahma, Vishnu, and Shankar), etc.
Some devotees also put three lines on their forehead and arms too. This is mostly, copying from the three lines shown to Shiv_Ling, is it not?
539)Interestingly, 05: 08 says soul is thumb size. 05: 09 says soul is point size.
vālāgraśatabhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya cha /
bhāgo jīvaḥ Silver Age vijñeyaḥ Silver Age cānantyāya kalpate // 5.9 //
= Know the embodied soul to be a part of the hundredth part of the point of a hair divided a hundred times; and yet it is infinite.
And verse 05:08 also says soul is radiant like sun! Can sun level radiation reside in a human body without harming it?
Verse 05:09 says - soul is point size, but also infinite! Can smallest thing be infinite?
So- if we churn these things, we can understand that the words- "radiant like sun ", ",infinite", etc. are spiritual significance. That is spiritually bright and powerful or infinite, etc., not physically.
Because if soul is physically bright as sun, it will destroy the very body where it resides.
Hence the Vishwaroop (Universal Form) of sun also indicates spiritual power of God. It does not mean God's radiance is physically as bright as thousand suns together, is it not?
Not only that- if we attribute/praise highest qualities of God as physical ones, then we bring down level of God from spiritual to physical and nature. It is actually degrading God.
No physical activity can bring us bliss. Bliss is supersensuos joy. It is divine. It can be experienced only by becoming conscious of soul and Supreme Soul. That is to imbibe the original spiritual qualities. It is a mental and intellectual process, not physical process. Good physical activities and actions can support (or required for) this mental/intellectual activity , but primarily, it is inner practice.
In other words we can say- good exercise and living habits are also essential (with good diet) for healthiness, but life is sustained by food, water and air, not primarily by adopting exercise or good living habits.
# Post No. 114)CONFUSION (AND ITS REMOVAL) ABOUT FORM OF SOUL AND Supreme Soul IN SCRIPTURES:-
532)Even though size of soul is mentioned as tiny point, many other verses/mantras say different. For example Swetavatsara Upanishad 05: 08 soul is thumb size. https://www.esamskriti.com/e/Spirituali ... God-2.aspx
Chapter 05 Mantra/Verse 8
aṅguṣṭhamātro ravitulyarūpaḥ saṃkalpāhaṃkārasamanvito yaḥ /
buddher guṇenātmaguṇena caiva ārāgramātro hy avaro 'pi dṛṣṭaḥ // 5.8 //
Of the size of a thumb, but brilliant, like the sun, the jiva possesses both volition and egoism. It is endowed with the qualities of both buddhi and Atman. Therefore it is seen as another entity (as different from Brahman) and as small as the point of a needle.
Even though form of Supreme Soul is mentioned as point in Gita (Refer Posts No. 73 and 104), God's form is also mentioned as Vishwaroop, brighter than thousands of sun, etc.
Hence there is confusion.
533)When there is confusion, it becomes duty of a learner/devotee to do some homework by churning on all these verses and come into right conclusion.
The best way to proceed in this homework is to churn on the highest attributes - like -
-Truth (Saty),
Knowledge (Gyaan),
Yoga/Meditation
Niraakaar (Dimensionless),
Character (Divine Virtues),
Bliss,
etc.
An attempt is made in this topic -(mainly Post No.s from 108 to 113, and at other posts too) in interpreting these highest words.
Hence our thinking says- Form of both God and Supreme Soul should be point.
534)ESSENCE has a great value in tiny space. Today, due to nanotechnology, large amount of data can be stored in small space, and sophisticated techniques can be derived from tiny devices. Power in a nuclear bomb is very large - even though the quantity of the nuclear fuel is very much less when compared to other fuels.
A gram of snake poison has potential to kill up to around one hundred people. Some very small doses of medicines- also have very high effects.
Similarly, the soul, even though is tiny point in size, it has a such a capacity to store karmic accounts of numerous births and influence body, and the world.
For example- in Hinduism, deities (eg- Durga, Kali) are shown with 6 or 8 or 10 hands. These hands do not exist physically. It indicates different powers in the soul which ordinary human being do not have.
Eg-
Power to tolerate
Power to discriminate
Power to adjust
Power to judge
Power to face
Power to Pack Up, etc.
535)Similarly, when we think of Vishwaroop of God, it indicates HE is Supreme, above all. It does not indicate size of God is large. Gold's value is higher. So, small size will value higher than Copper, Iron, etc.
Similarly, if God or deities also need 6, 8, 10 hand to operate, it makes God as subordinate to nature. Because in todays technology, pressing a button can do lot many things.
So- expecting God or deities to use hands physically to do actions, will underrate value of God and deities.
536)A point to be thought is - If size of soul is thumb size, then when a person dies (= when the soul leaves the body), there should have been some sort of opening in the body - in the direction where soul left the body, is it not? But, practically, we do not see any wound or damage in the body when a soul leaves its body.
537)Hence - after the churning - we can come to the conclusion that - the highest miracles in the world are Soul and Supreme Soul- that is even though they are very tiny point forms, they are the most important entities in the universe. It is this small size metaphysical entities that use and/or direct the Universe.
538) A supporting point- even from practical point of view is - In Hinduism, point/dot on forehead has the highest significance. For every deity, a dot is placed on forehead. Even for Shiv_Ling, a dot is put in its centre with three parallel horizontal lines together.
The dot in the ling indicates- Shiv is not as big as the ling stone. HE is just a point.
The three lines indicate- Shiv is trikaaladarshi (one who can see three aspects of time- past, present and future), trinetri (eye of wisdom), trilokinaath (owner of all the Three Worlds), Trimurti (creator of the trinity deities- Brahma, Vishnu, and Shankar), etc.
Some devotees also put three lines on their forehead and arms too. This is mostly, copying from the three lines shown to Shiv_Ling, is it not?
539)Interestingly, 05: 08 says soul is thumb size. 05: 09 says soul is point size.
vālāgraśatabhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya cha /
bhāgo jīvaḥ Silver Age vijñeyaḥ Silver Age cānantyāya kalpate // 5.9 //
= Know the embodied soul to be a part of the hundredth part of the point of a hair divided a hundred times; and yet it is infinite.
And verse 05:08 also says soul is radiant like sun! Can sun level radiation reside in a human body without harming it?
Verse 05:09 says - soul is point size, but also infinite! Can smallest thing be infinite?
So- if we churn these things, we can understand that the words- "radiant like sun ", ",infinite", etc. are spiritual significance. That is spiritually bright and powerful or infinite, etc., not physically.
Because if soul is physically bright as sun, it will destroy the very body where it resides.
Hence the Vishwaroop (Universal Form) of sun also indicates spiritual power of God. It does not mean God's radiance is physically as bright as thousand suns together, is it not?
Not only that- if we attribute/praise highest qualities of God as physical ones, then we bring down level of God from spiritual to physical and nature. It is actually degrading God.
No physical activity can bring us bliss. Bliss is supersensuos joy. It is divine. It can be experienced only by becoming conscious of soul and Supreme Soul. That is to imbibe the original spiritual qualities. It is a mental and intellectual process, not physical process. Good physical activities and actions can support (or required for) this mental/intellectual activity , but primarily, it is inner practice.
In other words we can say- good exercise and living habits are also essential (with good diet) for healthiness, but life is sustained by food, water and air, not primarily by adopting exercise or good living habits.
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Re: False Gita, and its effect
# Post No. 115)Due to FALSE Gita, the FIRST STEP ITSELF WENT WRONG:-
540)So, the point is-
When the name of a corporeal (Number one human deity Sri Krishna) is placed in the HIGHEST SEAT (incorporeal GOD Father) in the HIGHEST SCRIPTURE, the ability to churn about the truth deteriorates even more.
The highest seat, highest scripture, and the number one religion got corrupted.
Hence even though the point form of soul and Supreme Soul are said clearly in Gita and Upanishads (the MOST BASIC POINT of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE) they got neglected by majority of Hindu (Adi Sanaatan) religious leaders and masses.
That is- the first step of spirituality itself got wrong.
540)So, the point is-
When the name of a corporeal (Number one human deity Sri Krishna) is placed in the HIGHEST SEAT (incorporeal GOD Father) in the HIGHEST SCRIPTURE, the ability to churn about the truth deteriorates even more.
The highest seat, highest scripture, and the number one religion got corrupted.
Hence even though the point form of soul and Supreme Soul are said clearly in Gita and Upanishads (the MOST BASIC POINT of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE) they got neglected by majority of Hindu (Adi Sanaatan) religious leaders and masses.
That is- the first step of spirituality itself got wrong.
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# Post No. 116)Correction/realization of Gita is a great task in the World Transformation/Service:-
#Post No. 117))Correction/Realization of Gita will automatically correct/realize other religious scriptures too.
#Post No. 118))Correction/realization of Gita will truly make it as mother and Father of all the scriptures:-
#Post No. 119))Correction/realization of Gita will make others eligible for their God fatherly spiritual birthright and open doors to MUKTI (liberation) and JEEVAN_MUKTI (Heaven= Liberation in Life):-
541)This post is an addition to Post No. 94.
542)But, all of these scriptures have lost their proper/real direction..
--Even though Gita is the highest scripture, due to placing a corporeal personality, and portraying it as a motivation for physical war, it lost its value to a great extent.
--Other main religions (Eg- Abrahamic Religions), even though believe in incorporeal God Father, got caught in wrong competition, and their scriptures have played a great role in colonization, biased/forced conversion, terrorism, etc. So- these religious scriptures in fact have caused irreligiousness too in the world.
--Hence we can say- all these scriptures too have become false/weak/corrupted.
---Since all the religious leaders are caught by these corrupted scriptures, today world is in the state of irreligiousness.
543)Now- to the point- why correcting Gita is necessary.
--As already explained above- Religious scriptures have unique value due to their highest goals- God, Liberation/Mukti, and Heaven(Liberation in Life) and the period of their validity for millenniums. Billions of people follow or believe the scriptures.
--But, since all these scriptures are weak, they have good as well as bad/ignorance/wrong teachings as well. Due to wrong competition, some bad teachings also have got included in these scriptures.
---Some may follow good teachings of their scriptures, some may follow bad/corrupted teachings of their scriptures, some may follow both.
--So- "right interpretation and understanding of the scriptures" as well as "discarding false teachings" is necessary.
--Any person even if he is gyaani (knowledgeful soul) preach about God, liberation, heaven, etc. in their own words, majority of the people will not be convinced. Since their belief is strong in their scriptures, they would prefer to relate the teachings with the scriptures before accepting the teachings. Hence correction of the scriptures also plays a great role in the spiritual service.
544)Presently, due to corruption in Gita, (even though Gita is mother and Father of all religions) other religious followers are not only able to imbibe the highest teachings in Gita, but also fail to give respect to Gita.
Correction/Realization of Gita will provide CLEAN MIRROR not only to Gita believers, but also to all other religion followers too, by which they also will realize knowledge of Creator (Supreme Soul) and Creation(Time Cycle) properly.
---They will realize that their scriptures are just kids in front of Gita.
---They will then be able to develop full respect to Gita.
---They will also develop highest respect to the world spiritual pilgrimage- land of Bharath/India. They will realize Bharath is most holy place than Mecca, Madinah or Jerusalem, etc.
[Today- for example- the largest religions in the world- Islam and Christianity have ego and claim that their religion is the only truth and way to heaven and they are the only superior, all the rest will go to hell, etc. etc. but, when Gita is corrected/realized, they also will realize their level and can improve themselves].
--In this way, they can get full spiritual birthright from incorporeal heavenly God Father and mother. In this way, it will open door to liberation and liberation in life.
---In this way, one can become spiritual theists (aasthik) from spiritual orphans.
---Then Gita will become practically/truly mother and Father of all the scriptures. [Today, holy Gita is not considered as the top most scripture by majority of the people.]
#Post No. 117))Correction/Realization of Gita will automatically correct/realize other religious scriptures too.
#Post No. 118))Correction/realization of Gita will truly make it as mother and Father of all the scriptures:-
#Post No. 119))Correction/realization of Gita will make others eligible for their God fatherly spiritual birthright and open doors to MUKTI (liberation) and JEEVAN_MUKTI (Heaven= Liberation in Life):-
541)This post is an addition to Post No. 94.
542)But, all of these scriptures have lost their proper/real direction..
--Even though Gita is the highest scripture, due to placing a corporeal personality, and portraying it as a motivation for physical war, it lost its value to a great extent.
--Other main religions (Eg- Abrahamic Religions), even though believe in incorporeal God Father, got caught in wrong competition, and their scriptures have played a great role in colonization, biased/forced conversion, terrorism, etc. So- these religious scriptures in fact have caused irreligiousness too in the world.
--Hence we can say- all these scriptures too have become false/weak/corrupted.
---Since all the religious leaders are caught by these corrupted scriptures, today world is in the state of irreligiousness.
543)Now- to the point- why correcting Gita is necessary.
--As already explained above- Religious scriptures have unique value due to their highest goals- God, Liberation/Mukti, and Heaven(Liberation in Life) and the period of their validity for millenniums. Billions of people follow or believe the scriptures.
--But, since all these scriptures are weak, they have good as well as bad/ignorance/wrong teachings as well. Due to wrong competition, some bad teachings also have got included in these scriptures.
---Some may follow good teachings of their scriptures, some may follow bad/corrupted teachings of their scriptures, some may follow both.
--So- "right interpretation and understanding of the scriptures" as well as "discarding false teachings" is necessary.
--Any person even if he is gyaani (knowledgeful soul) preach about God, liberation, heaven, etc. in their own words, majority of the people will not be convinced. Since their belief is strong in their scriptures, they would prefer to relate the teachings with the scriptures before accepting the teachings. Hence correction of the scriptures also plays a great role in the spiritual service.
544)Presently, due to corruption in Gita, (even though Gita is mother and Father of all religions) other religious followers are not only able to imbibe the highest teachings in Gita, but also fail to give respect to Gita.
Correction/Realization of Gita will provide CLEAN MIRROR not only to Gita believers, but also to all other religion followers too, by which they also will realize knowledge of Creator (Supreme Soul) and Creation(Time Cycle) properly.
---They will realize that their scriptures are just kids in front of Gita.
---They will then be able to develop full respect to Gita.
---They will also develop highest respect to the world spiritual pilgrimage- land of Bharath/India. They will realize Bharath is most holy place than Mecca, Madinah or Jerusalem, etc.
[Today- for example- the largest religions in the world- Islam and Christianity have ego and claim that their religion is the only truth and way to heaven and they are the only superior, all the rest will go to hell, etc. etc. but, when Gita is corrected/realized, they also will realize their level and can improve themselves].
--In this way, they can get full spiritual birthright from incorporeal heavenly God Father and mother. In this way, it will open door to liberation and liberation in life.
---In this way, one can become spiritual theists (aasthik) from spiritual orphans.
---Then Gita will become practically/truly mother and Father of all the scriptures. [Today, holy Gita is not considered as the top most scripture by majority of the people.]
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#Post No. 120)Uniqueness/Completeness of Adi Sanaatan (ancient Hinduism) memorials:-
545)Complete Spiritual knowledge means - Full knowledge of CREATOR and CREATION.
a)Knowledge of CREATOR means- Knowledge of God's "name, form, residing abode, attributes, duties/acts, time of act, etc." - all these.
b)CREATION= Time Cycle. It has five periods/ages- Golden, Silver, Copper & Iron Ages plus Transformation/Incarnation Period (Confluence Age).
---These five ages can be summarized into three- GYAAN/HEAVEN (Golden & Silver Ages), Bhakti/HELL (Copper & Iron Ages) and VAIRAAGY/TRANSFORMATION (Confluence Age).
---[In detail - The three states/periods are - GYAAN(KNOWLEDGE or Fruit of Knowledge), Bhakti(DEVOTION= doing religious efforts and activities without knowledge) and VAIRAAGY (DISINTEREST towards old Iron Aged world after receiving the knowledge).
---Each period has connection with the other, because time is cycle.
546)Every religion has memorials in forms of temples, churches, masjids, and other related monuments.
---Memorials of Hinduism are unique and close to completeness. Memorials of other religions are highly incomplete.
547)Highest achievements are God (incorporeal) and heaven(corporeal deities).
---There are Hindu temples representing both incorporeal God Father Shiva (in the form of ShivLing/Jyotir_Ling) and heavenly deities like Sri Lakshmi & Sri Narayan, Sri Ram & Sri Sita, Sri Durga, etc.
---So- physical representation of both God/Creator and heaven(highest creation) are present in Hinduism.
---Other religions (Eg- Islam and Christianity) even though preach about incorporeal God Father, they DO NOT have any PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION for God. They do not have/keep images for even deities.
---In Church or masjids, there is no idol (physical representation) representing God. They have only buildings. It is as good as representing a house/mandir without owner/murti.
--In some Churches, there may be images of Jesus, Mary, etc., but neither of God, nor deities/heaven.
---In Buddhist worshipping places (monasteries) consist of statues of Buddha, but neither God, nor deities.
[Mostly- no religion has images of God or deities. Even if there are, they will be much less than that shown in Hinduism- both in quality and quantity.]
548)Hindus have lots of festivals in a calendar year. But, other religions have only few festival celebrations in an year. This also implies memorials of Hinduism is closer to completeness and of other religions is far from completeness.
Even in this context, we can say- Hinduism is mother and Father and all other religions are like kids in front of it.
[ When most of these religions oppose idol worship that too of either God or heavenly deities, they themselves move far from them.
---In this way, they committed an intellectual suicide.
Of course, Buddha did not oppose idol worship, but did not believe either in God or heaven.
So- except Hinduism, memorials of other religions have no close connection with CREATOR and CREATION. ]
#Post No. 121) Importance of Memorials:-
550)Memorials help a person to give spiritual knowledge easily, like an engineer explains his creation (that he is going to build) using a model.
---BKs do lot of spiritual service using Bhakti memorials and also during these religious festivals.
---Significance/Essence of these festivals directly leads to spiritual knowledge and enlightenment.
---Similarly, essence of Gita also will lead to spiritual knowledge and enlightenment.
---Command over essence of memorials, scriptures gives extra intellectual powers and maturity.
#Post No. 122):-Like Hindu temples are memorials of heaven/deities, similarly, Gita is the the scripture/base/creator of heaven:-
551)So- incorporeal God Father Shiva creates Gita (delivers divine/spiritual knowledge to ) Gita during Confluence Age (end of Iron Age).
--Adoption of Gita knowledge during Confluence Age transforms Iron Aged humans to Golden Aged deities as well as Iron Aged hell to Golden Aged heaven.
552)Without scriptures, memorials have no value. Scriptures are base to all the memorials. That is- without Gita, Vedas, Bible, Quran, etc., temples, churches, masjid, etc. have no value.
553)Since memorials of Hinduism is close to completeness, similarly, scripture Gita is close to completeness (God and heaven).
---Similarly, scripture Gita has connection with heaven, scriptures of other religions do not have such strong connection to heaven.
[But, due to corruption in Gita, other religions could not understand the highest scripture and hated idol worship of even incorporeal God and heavenly deities. They destroyed incorporeal God Shiva temples and heavenly deities' temples too. [even though they claim their aim is to worship one/incorporeal God and attain eternal heaven.] In this way, inadvertently such religions went away from the highest goals.]
545)Complete Spiritual knowledge means - Full knowledge of CREATOR and CREATION.
a)Knowledge of CREATOR means- Knowledge of God's "name, form, residing abode, attributes, duties/acts, time of act, etc." - all these.
b)CREATION= Time Cycle. It has five periods/ages- Golden, Silver, Copper & Iron Ages plus Transformation/Incarnation Period (Confluence Age).
---These five ages can be summarized into three- GYAAN/HEAVEN (Golden & Silver Ages), Bhakti/HELL (Copper & Iron Ages) and VAIRAAGY/TRANSFORMATION (Confluence Age).
---[In detail - The three states/periods are - GYAAN(KNOWLEDGE or Fruit of Knowledge), Bhakti(DEVOTION= doing religious efforts and activities without knowledge) and VAIRAAGY (DISINTEREST towards old Iron Aged world after receiving the knowledge).
---Each period has connection with the other, because time is cycle.
546)Every religion has memorials in forms of temples, churches, masjids, and other related monuments.
---Memorials of Hinduism are unique and close to completeness. Memorials of other religions are highly incomplete.
547)Highest achievements are God (incorporeal) and heaven(corporeal deities).
---There are Hindu temples representing both incorporeal God Father Shiva (in the form of ShivLing/Jyotir_Ling) and heavenly deities like Sri Lakshmi & Sri Narayan, Sri Ram & Sri Sita, Sri Durga, etc.
---So- physical representation of both God/Creator and heaven(highest creation) are present in Hinduism.
---Other religions (Eg- Islam and Christianity) even though preach about incorporeal God Father, they DO NOT have any PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION for God. They do not have/keep images for even deities.
---In Church or masjids, there is no idol (physical representation) representing God. They have only buildings. It is as good as representing a house/mandir without owner/murti.
--In some Churches, there may be images of Jesus, Mary, etc., but neither of God, nor deities/heaven.
---In Buddhist worshipping places (monasteries) consist of statues of Buddha, but neither God, nor deities.
[Mostly- no religion has images of God or deities. Even if there are, they will be much less than that shown in Hinduism- both in quality and quantity.]
548)Hindus have lots of festivals in a calendar year. But, other religions have only few festival celebrations in an year. This also implies memorials of Hinduism is closer to completeness and of other religions is far from completeness.
Even in this context, we can say- Hinduism is mother and Father and all other religions are like kids in front of it.
[ When most of these religions oppose idol worship that too of either God or heavenly deities, they themselves move far from them.
---In this way, they committed an intellectual suicide.
Of course, Buddha did not oppose idol worship, but did not believe either in God or heaven.
So- except Hinduism, memorials of other religions have no close connection with CREATOR and CREATION. ]
#Post No. 121) Importance of Memorials:-
550)Memorials help a person to give spiritual knowledge easily, like an engineer explains his creation (that he is going to build) using a model.
---BKs do lot of spiritual service using Bhakti memorials and also during these religious festivals.
---Significance/Essence of these festivals directly leads to spiritual knowledge and enlightenment.
---Similarly, essence of Gita also will lead to spiritual knowledge and enlightenment.
---Command over essence of memorials, scriptures gives extra intellectual powers and maturity.
#Post No. 122):-Like Hindu temples are memorials of heaven/deities, similarly, Gita is the the scripture/base/creator of heaven:-
551)So- incorporeal God Father Shiva creates Gita (delivers divine/spiritual knowledge to ) Gita during Confluence Age (end of Iron Age).
--Adoption of Gita knowledge during Confluence Age transforms Iron Aged humans to Golden Aged deities as well as Iron Aged hell to Golden Aged heaven.
552)Without scriptures, memorials have no value. Scriptures are base to all the memorials. That is- without Gita, Vedas, Bible, Quran, etc., temples, churches, masjid, etc. have no value.
553)Since memorials of Hinduism is close to completeness, similarly, scripture Gita is close to completeness (God and heaven).
---Similarly, scripture Gita has connection with heaven, scriptures of other religions do not have such strong connection to heaven.
[But, due to corruption in Gita, other religions could not understand the highest scripture and hated idol worship of even incorporeal God and heavenly deities. They destroyed incorporeal God Shiva temples and heavenly deities' temples too. [even though they claim their aim is to worship one/incorporeal God and attain eternal heaven.] In this way, inadvertently such religions went away from the highest goals.]
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#Post No. 123)In sanaatan religion, reach of God is high/large, in other religions God's reach is small/low :-
555)Major religions Eg- Islam and Christianity preach God is incorporeal which is highly appreciated.
--(But, they still do not know real form of God or soul as point-form)
--Their God creates eternal hell and sends non-believers there!
--Another major religion- Buddhism neither believes in God or heaven.
--In Islam, God/Allah is not called as Father. There relation between Allah and humans is Creator/Lord and Creation only.
---In Christianity, God is called as God Father, but not mother.
556)Hinduism believes God is
---Supreme Father (Param_Pita) as well as
--father & mother (Maat_Pita), as well as
---all the relations (twamEva maataashcha pitaa twamEva,... = Oh Beloved God, You are my Father, mother, all relations and even wealth). This is the infinite level of reach to God in Hinduism.
---Hinduism believes God is incorporeal (Shiva) as well as corporeal- Krishna, Ram, Lakshmi, Narayan, etc., etc.
---Hinduism teachings are highly unbiased. The fruit is based on internal purity, character (free from vices)) and karma philosophy.
---But, in Islam and Christianity, faith in their religion and prophet is more important than character.
--- Sometimes, these religions place prophets before God. That is why- they fight among themselves even if they all believe in one incorporeal God.
557)From the above, it once again proves that in front of Hinduism, other religions are like kids/children.
555)Major religions Eg- Islam and Christianity preach God is incorporeal which is highly appreciated.
--(But, they still do not know real form of God or soul as point-form)
--Their God creates eternal hell and sends non-believers there!
--Another major religion- Buddhism neither believes in God or heaven.
--In Islam, God/Allah is not called as Father. There relation between Allah and humans is Creator/Lord and Creation only.
---In Christianity, God is called as God Father, but not mother.
556)Hinduism believes God is
---Supreme Father (Param_Pita) as well as
--father & mother (Maat_Pita), as well as
---all the relations (twamEva maataashcha pitaa twamEva,... = Oh Beloved God, You are my Father, mother, all relations and even wealth). This is the infinite level of reach to God in Hinduism.
---Hinduism believes God is incorporeal (Shiva) as well as corporeal- Krishna, Ram, Lakshmi, Narayan, etc., etc.
---Hinduism teachings are highly unbiased. The fruit is based on internal purity, character (free from vices)) and karma philosophy.
---But, in Islam and Christianity, faith in their religion and prophet is more important than character.
--- Sometimes, these religions place prophets before God. That is why- they fight among themselves even if they all believe in one incorporeal God.
557)From the above, it once again proves that in front of Hinduism, other religions are like kids/children.
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#Post No. 124)Great/Fatal Blow to Sanaatan religion due to false Gita:-
558)As already said- Scriptures are the base.. Without scriptures memorials too have no value. All the religious leaders give preach and have/take authority over their scriptures.
---Now- when incorporeal Shiva's name got replaced by corporeal Krishna, Gita became highly weak.
---Hence even though Hindu scripture Gita and Hindu memorials are highest, they lost their value. Power of the sanaatan religion itself got reduced to a great extent.
---Hence as already said- other religions could neither realize the greatness in Hinduism, nor pay respect to it. Hindus too themselves lost their self esteem and got caught in worshipping several deity gods/goddesses several rituals than worshipping or meditating incorporeal God.
---Without the support of the base scripture Gita, other religions too got busy in wrong competition.
559)The fatal blow can be more realized from the fact that- Incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiva almost forgotten(or highly diluted) in other important places too in Hinduism.
---Most important activity of "ESTABLISHMENT OF DHARMA"- In this, Corporeal (Vishnu) got seated in that place- Dashaavataar (Ten incarnations) of Vishnu.
----Other important scriptures VEDAS and UPANISHADS are considered to be spoken by (words of) Seers/Rushis/Sages. They are neither called as Godly versions nor the directions given by God.
[In other religions, it is believed that incorporeal God HIMSELF gave directions through angel or prophets. ]
-----Even though Gita is CLEARLY SAID AS BHAGAVAANUVAACH(Godly VERSIONS), when corporeal Sir Krishna got seated there, that too lost its value.
So- even though there are so many great scriptures in Hinduism, but incorporeal God is not considered in primary place, how can the devotees be sure about what should be followed? What are Godly directions? How can unity come in the believers/followers? How can there be concentration during Hindu rituals?
[Hence the hierarchy should be understood. First is Gita, then Vedas and Upanishads, etc. Without knowing this, the foundation got lost/lose].
[As already said- due to corporeal name Krishna inserted in Gita, today Hindus are confused among their own scriptures- which is best among them- Gita or Vedas or Upanishads?]
560)The fatal blow can be further realized by understanding the importance/seat of incorporeal/real God.
---If we take the major four religions, today Islam and Christianity stand in front. Then stand Hinduism and Buddhism.
---In every religious scriptures good and bad things/teachings/points are there. When compared to Hinduism and Buddhism, bad things/points are more in Islam and Christianity. (eg- God creates humans to tests them, God HIMSELF creates handicapped children as part of these tests, disrespect to non-believers, God sends non-believers to eternal hell- even if they have not committed serious crimes, etc. etc.). Still Islam and Christianity stand at first place. What may be the reason? They believe in incorporeal God. Hence in one way, the internal power is not diluted so much. This aspect unites people more easily.
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#Post No. 125)False Gita also accelerated the transfer from Monotheism to Polytheism in Hinduism:-
561)Most ancient temples in Hinduism are of incorporeal Shiva (Jyotri_Ling) temples. Even today highest number of Hindu temples are Shiva temples. This indicates two things/aspects.
---First it indicates that incorporeal Shiva is actually Supreme in Hinduism.
--Second it indicates that initially there had been monotheism in Hinduism (which is pure Bhakti). Temples of corporeal deities were built came later. That is- Polytheism entered later in Hinduism.
562)Today in Hinduism, God is considered to be both incorporeal (Jyotir_Ling Shiva) as well as corporeal (deities like Sri Lakshmi, Narayan, Krishna, Ram, Sita, etc.).
--But, today majority of Hindu devotees have the corporeal feeling more than incorporeal. Their mind reaches to the deity level only- Sri Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan, Ganesh, Hanuman, Durga, etc. rather than JyOtir_Ling (incorporeal) This is the main problem.
563)What may be the cause for this? False Gita also has a great role in this is it not?
--It is highly unfortunate that - Even though many Gita verses clear say- God is incorporeal, and no Gita verse says God is corporeal, [Already given in Post No. 75 - Essence in Gita - Part 3] Hindus today are caught in corporeal deities more than incorporeal.
---Just think- when name of corporeal Krishna had been put in the highest place (incorporeal seat), can we expect the devotees to have incorporeal feeling?
---Incorporeal Feeling is eternal, corporeal feeling is not eternal, is it not? Obviously incorporeal feeling will give more power and concentration.
564)Hence when corporeal Krishna got seated at God's place, gradually, other deities too had been seated in God's place, and today, Hindus consider even trees snakes, etc. etc- all as God. Great degradation.
565)To experience infinite/complete spirituality with God (= twamEva maataashcha pitaa), we need to realize self as separate than body, a point of divine light and might, INCORPOREAL SOUL. Similarly, we need to meditate/remember God as divine point of light, INCORPOREAL Supreme Soul.
---But, due to corporeal deity placed in the seat of incorporeal God, unlimited spiritual relations and meditation could not be experienced at least to the threshold level by the majority of the Hindu population.
558)As already said- Scriptures are the base.. Without scriptures memorials too have no value. All the religious leaders give preach and have/take authority over their scriptures.
---Now- when incorporeal Shiva's name got replaced by corporeal Krishna, Gita became highly weak.
---Hence even though Hindu scripture Gita and Hindu memorials are highest, they lost their value. Power of the sanaatan religion itself got reduced to a great extent.
---Hence as already said- other religions could neither realize the greatness in Hinduism, nor pay respect to it. Hindus too themselves lost their self esteem and got caught in worshipping several deity gods/goddesses several rituals than worshipping or meditating incorporeal God.
---Without the support of the base scripture Gita, other religions too got busy in wrong competition.
559)The fatal blow can be more realized from the fact that- Incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiva almost forgotten(or highly diluted) in other important places too in Hinduism.
---Most important activity of "ESTABLISHMENT OF DHARMA"- In this, Corporeal (Vishnu) got seated in that place- Dashaavataar (Ten incarnations) of Vishnu.
----Other important scriptures VEDAS and UPANISHADS are considered to be spoken by (words of) Seers/Rushis/Sages. They are neither called as Godly versions nor the directions given by God.
[In other religions, it is believed that incorporeal God HIMSELF gave directions through angel or prophets. ]
-----Even though Gita is CLEARLY SAID AS BHAGAVAANUVAACH(Godly VERSIONS), when corporeal Sir Krishna got seated there, that too lost its value.
So- even though there are so many great scriptures in Hinduism, but incorporeal God is not considered in primary place, how can the devotees be sure about what should be followed? What are Godly directions? How can unity come in the believers/followers? How can there be concentration during Hindu rituals?
[Hence the hierarchy should be understood. First is Gita, then Vedas and Upanishads, etc. Without knowing this, the foundation got lost/lose].
[As already said- due to corporeal name Krishna inserted in Gita, today Hindus are confused among their own scriptures- which is best among them- Gita or Vedas or Upanishads?]
560)The fatal blow can be further realized by understanding the importance/seat of incorporeal/real God.
---If we take the major four religions, today Islam and Christianity stand in front. Then stand Hinduism and Buddhism.
---In every religious scriptures good and bad things/teachings/points are there. When compared to Hinduism and Buddhism, bad things/points are more in Islam and Christianity. (eg- God creates humans to tests them, God HIMSELF creates handicapped children as part of these tests, disrespect to non-believers, God sends non-believers to eternal hell- even if they have not committed serious crimes, etc. etc.). Still Islam and Christianity stand at first place. What may be the reason? They believe in incorporeal God. Hence in one way, the internal power is not diluted so much. This aspect unites people more easily.
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#Post No. 125)False Gita also accelerated the transfer from Monotheism to Polytheism in Hinduism:-
561)Most ancient temples in Hinduism are of incorporeal Shiva (Jyotri_Ling) temples. Even today highest number of Hindu temples are Shiva temples. This indicates two things/aspects.
---First it indicates that incorporeal Shiva is actually Supreme in Hinduism.
--Second it indicates that initially there had been monotheism in Hinduism (which is pure Bhakti). Temples of corporeal deities were built came later. That is- Polytheism entered later in Hinduism.
562)Today in Hinduism, God is considered to be both incorporeal (Jyotir_Ling Shiva) as well as corporeal (deities like Sri Lakshmi, Narayan, Krishna, Ram, Sita, etc.).
--But, today majority of Hindu devotees have the corporeal feeling more than incorporeal. Their mind reaches to the deity level only- Sri Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan, Ganesh, Hanuman, Durga, etc. rather than JyOtir_Ling (incorporeal) This is the main problem.
563)What may be the cause for this? False Gita also has a great role in this is it not?
--It is highly unfortunate that - Even though many Gita verses clear say- God is incorporeal, and no Gita verse says God is corporeal, [Already given in Post No. 75 - Essence in Gita - Part 3] Hindus today are caught in corporeal deities more than incorporeal.
---Just think- when name of corporeal Krishna had been put in the highest place (incorporeal seat), can we expect the devotees to have incorporeal feeling?
---Incorporeal Feeling is eternal, corporeal feeling is not eternal, is it not? Obviously incorporeal feeling will give more power and concentration.
564)Hence when corporeal Krishna got seated at God's place, gradually, other deities too had been seated in God's place, and today, Hindus consider even trees snakes, etc. etc- all as God. Great degradation.
565)To experience infinite/complete spirituality with God (= twamEva maataashcha pitaa), we need to realize self as separate than body, a point of divine light and might, INCORPOREAL SOUL. Similarly, we need to meditate/remember God as divine point of light, INCORPOREAL Supreme Soul.
---But, due to corporeal deity placed in the seat of incorporeal God, unlimited spiritual relations and meditation could not be experienced at least to the threshold level by the majority of the Hindu population.
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# Post No. 126)Essence in Gita- Part 06: Significance of Warfield and Chariot of horses:-
566)According to Mahabharat scripture, Gita was preached at war-field. Can spiritual teachings be given in war-field? That too- eighteen chapters! Foolishness/Ridiculousness, is it not?
The real significances are -
---Gita episode (God's incarnation) will be obviously during end of Iron Age, that is when dharma/spirituality/morality is degraded. Iron Age is like war-field, full of conflicts and uncertainties. People are like thorns, were each one is a cause of sorrow or stress to others directly or indirectly.
---While practicing Gita teachings, internal war also takes place in the effort-maker's mind and intellects - between good thoughts and negative thoughts.
---God incarnates/descends during irreligiousness when no one fit to live. Today even children and women have lost morality. Everyone is selfish, weak and/or cause to produce or spread disease/pollution/stress. Even the physical nature also has become weak.
---So- when Gita teachings are accomplished, complete physical destruction/transformation too AUTOMATICALLY takes place. This physical transformation takes place due to natural calamities as well as civil and atomic wars.
In these ways, Gita has connection with physical war. But, Gita verses do not teach any physical war. Gita teachings clearly say- "Conquer vices- lust, anger, greed, attachment, ego, jealous, etc.
Physical war and physical transformation happens due to degraded stage of the whole world. Gita is neither a cause for physical war, nor it motivates for the physical war.
But, unfortunately, when corporeal deity Sri Krishna got seated at Gita Sermonizer's place, Gita teachings easily got interpreted as a tool to motivate for physical war too.
And- it got depicted as Gita knowledge was given in the middle of a war-field in Kurukhshetra of Uttar Pradesh state in India!
567)A related Murli Point:- Jab vinaash hoga, tab (log) samjhenge "vinaash ho rahaa hai, zaroor Bhagavaan bhee aayaa hoga" = When destruction happens, (people) will realize - Destruction is happening, definitely God also would be present (have been incarnated)".
Hence drama is accurate.
568)Significance of Chariot driven by five horses:- In Mahabharat, the Chariot of effort-maker (Arjun) is shown as driven by five horses.
--Real significance of the Chariot is - body is Chariot, soul is the rider/RATHI. Arjun stands for Brahma Baba and other real/spiritual braahmins/BKs.
---Five horses indicate five physical elements (earth, water, air, fire, space) from which body is made as well as five sense organs. The sense organs are like horses that control the Chariot/body/actions and these horses are controlled by the rope of intellect.
---Arjun giving seat of the driver/SAARATHI to Sri Krishna means B Baba giving place/seat in his body to God HIMSELF. That is- incorporeal God physically incarnates/enters body of B Baba (Dada Lekhraj).
---God does not have body of his own. Hence HE needs someone's body in which HE can enter and use it to deliver/speak spiritual knowledge to human beings.
----Arjun giving the seat of the driver to God indicates that Arjun surrenders his intellect to God, follows directions/teachings of God. Arjun gives rope/control of the horse/intellect to God. In this way, Arjun sacrifices his own (impure) intellect and imbibes divine/Godly intelligence.
---Soul is the highest seat, then the intellect, then the sense organs, then the physical body.
569)But, without knowing the actual process of how incorporeal God enters an Iron Aged human being and delivers spiritual knowledge of creator and creation, devotees have put name of corporeal deity Sri Krishna in Gita.
SM 9-4-83(1):- Srimath may bhagavadgita hai na. Gita hai shaastr kaa naam. JAISE CHRIST KA BIBLE, SRIMATH CHRIST KA BIBLE. Toh Baap samjhaate hai bhagavaan ki hai srimath. Ab srimath jab kahaa jataa hai, toh zaroor samajhna chaahiye yah toh oonch bhagavaan ki hee math hai. Srimath brahma ki va Vishnu ki nahin kahte. SRIMATH BHAGAVAAN AAKAR BRAHMA TANN SE KAISE DETE HAIN, YAH MANUSHY NAHIN JAANTE. VAH SAMAJHTE NAHIN BRAHMA PHIR NEECHE KAISE AATAA HAI. VAH TOH HAI SOOKSHMVATANVAASI. TOH IN BAATON KO NA JAN_NE KAARAN KRISHN KA NAAM DE DIYAA HAI. AISE BHI NAHIN HO SAKTAA KRISHN KA KOYI SAADHAARAN ROOP HAI JISMAY PARMATMA PRAVESH KARTE HAIN. Yah baatein koyi nahin jaante. -135- [Prajapita, srimath, Gita, WOT]
= ...How Bhagavaan/God enters in Brahma and gives Srimath, people do not know. They do not understand how can Brahma come down. They think Brahma is Subtle Region resident. So- DUE TO NOT UNDERSTANDING THESE MATTERS, THEY HAVE GIVEN NAME OF Krishna (in Gita). There cannot be any ordinary form of Krishna in which God can enter. No one knows these matters.
566)According to Mahabharat scripture, Gita was preached at war-field. Can spiritual teachings be given in war-field? That too- eighteen chapters! Foolishness/Ridiculousness, is it not?
The real significances are -
---Gita episode (God's incarnation) will be obviously during end of Iron Age, that is when dharma/spirituality/morality is degraded. Iron Age is like war-field, full of conflicts and uncertainties. People are like thorns, were each one is a cause of sorrow or stress to others directly or indirectly.
---While practicing Gita teachings, internal war also takes place in the effort-maker's mind and intellects - between good thoughts and negative thoughts.
---God incarnates/descends during irreligiousness when no one fit to live. Today even children and women have lost morality. Everyone is selfish, weak and/or cause to produce or spread disease/pollution/stress. Even the physical nature also has become weak.
---So- when Gita teachings are accomplished, complete physical destruction/transformation too AUTOMATICALLY takes place. This physical transformation takes place due to natural calamities as well as civil and atomic wars.
In these ways, Gita has connection with physical war. But, Gita verses do not teach any physical war. Gita teachings clearly say- "Conquer vices- lust, anger, greed, attachment, ego, jealous, etc.
Physical war and physical transformation happens due to degraded stage of the whole world. Gita is neither a cause for physical war, nor it motivates for the physical war.
But, unfortunately, when corporeal deity Sri Krishna got seated at Gita Sermonizer's place, Gita teachings easily got interpreted as a tool to motivate for physical war too.
And- it got depicted as Gita knowledge was given in the middle of a war-field in Kurukhshetra of Uttar Pradesh state in India!
567)A related Murli Point:- Jab vinaash hoga, tab (log) samjhenge "vinaash ho rahaa hai, zaroor Bhagavaan bhee aayaa hoga" = When destruction happens, (people) will realize - Destruction is happening, definitely God also would be present (have been incarnated)".
Hence drama is accurate.
568)Significance of Chariot driven by five horses:- In Mahabharat, the Chariot of effort-maker (Arjun) is shown as driven by five horses.
--Real significance of the Chariot is - body is Chariot, soul is the rider/RATHI. Arjun stands for Brahma Baba and other real/spiritual braahmins/BKs.
---Five horses indicate five physical elements (earth, water, air, fire, space) from which body is made as well as five sense organs. The sense organs are like horses that control the Chariot/body/actions and these horses are controlled by the rope of intellect.
---Arjun giving seat of the driver/SAARATHI to Sri Krishna means B Baba giving place/seat in his body to God HIMSELF. That is- incorporeal God physically incarnates/enters body of B Baba (Dada Lekhraj).
---God does not have body of his own. Hence HE needs someone's body in which HE can enter and use it to deliver/speak spiritual knowledge to human beings.
----Arjun giving the seat of the driver to God indicates that Arjun surrenders his intellect to God, follows directions/teachings of God. Arjun gives rope/control of the horse/intellect to God. In this way, Arjun sacrifices his own (impure) intellect and imbibes divine/Godly intelligence.
---Soul is the highest seat, then the intellect, then the sense organs, then the physical body.
569)But, without knowing the actual process of how incorporeal God enters an Iron Aged human being and delivers spiritual knowledge of creator and creation, devotees have put name of corporeal deity Sri Krishna in Gita.
SM 9-4-83(1):- Srimath may bhagavadgita hai na. Gita hai shaastr kaa naam. JAISE CHRIST KA BIBLE, SRIMATH CHRIST KA BIBLE. Toh Baap samjhaate hai bhagavaan ki hai srimath. Ab srimath jab kahaa jataa hai, toh zaroor samajhna chaahiye yah toh oonch bhagavaan ki hee math hai. Srimath brahma ki va Vishnu ki nahin kahte. SRIMATH BHAGAVAAN AAKAR BRAHMA TANN SE KAISE DETE HAIN, YAH MANUSHY NAHIN JAANTE. VAH SAMAJHTE NAHIN BRAHMA PHIR NEECHE KAISE AATAA HAI. VAH TOH HAI SOOKSHMVATANVAASI. TOH IN BAATON KO NA JAN_NE KAARAN KRISHN KA NAAM DE DIYAA HAI. AISE BHI NAHIN HO SAKTAA KRISHN KA KOYI SAADHAARAN ROOP HAI JISMAY PARMATMA PRAVESH KARTE HAIN. Yah baatein koyi nahin jaante. -135- [Prajapita, srimath, Gita, WOT]
= ...How Bhagavaan/God enters in Brahma and gives Srimath, people do not know. They do not understand how can Brahma come down. They think Brahma is Subtle Region resident. So- DUE TO NOT UNDERSTANDING THESE MATTERS, THEY HAVE GIVEN NAME OF Krishna (in Gita). There cannot be any ordinary form of Krishna in which God can enter. No one knows these matters.
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# Post No. 127)A SELF INTROSPECTION:-
570)In the great scripture Mahabharat, the greatest fight/war is shown as war between brothers (Pandavas and Kouravas). Let us think of some questions.
--Does this imply- Greatest fight happens among brothers only? Or does it say the maximum possibility of fight will be always with one’s own brothers?
--Does this imply- God needs to incarnate to motivate fight between the brothers?
--Does this imply- One should not pardon when he is cheated by his brother, instead he should obviously opt/use war as last option?
--In Mahabharat, it is shown that "Kouravas did injustice only to their five brothers Pandavas and their families. Kouravas did not do any injustice to the citizens". God incarnating to motivate a great war where death of eighteen AKSHOHINI armies- Can killing of so many people be justified for injustice on mere five brothers and their families?
--Is spiritual knowledge required for fighting physical war?
--Does it imply Gita knowledge is applicable to only few such cases where fight is among brothers only?
--Does God gives teachings only to one Arjun? [God is Father of all souls, but is his aim to teach only one person?]
571)In Mahabharat, it is also shown that PHYSICAL/LOWKIK ATTACHMENT (towards blood relatives Kouravas and bodily Gurus Drona, etc.) is the main hindrance in the war.
Now- the question is- Is aim of Gita teachings is mainly to remove physical attachment towards limited people (bodily/lowkik brothers) only? Then can the Gita teachings be called as spiritual or religious scripture? In fact Gita is unlimited scripture- Father and mother of all the scripture. So- its aim should also be unlimited, is it not?
Let us find the real significance in the next post.
570)In the great scripture Mahabharat, the greatest fight/war is shown as war between brothers (Pandavas and Kouravas). Let us think of some questions.
--Does this imply- Greatest fight happens among brothers only? Or does it say the maximum possibility of fight will be always with one’s own brothers?
--Does this imply- God needs to incarnate to motivate fight between the brothers?
--Does this imply- One should not pardon when he is cheated by his brother, instead he should obviously opt/use war as last option?
--In Mahabharat, it is shown that "Kouravas did injustice only to their five brothers Pandavas and their families. Kouravas did not do any injustice to the citizens". God incarnating to motivate a great war where death of eighteen AKSHOHINI armies- Can killing of so many people be justified for injustice on mere five brothers and their families?
--Is spiritual knowledge required for fighting physical war?
--Does it imply Gita knowledge is applicable to only few such cases where fight is among brothers only?
--Does God gives teachings only to one Arjun? [God is Father of all souls, but is his aim to teach only one person?]
571)In Mahabharat, it is also shown that PHYSICAL/LOWKIK ATTACHMENT (towards blood relatives Kouravas and bodily Gurus Drona, etc.) is the main hindrance in the war.
Now- the question is- Is aim of Gita teachings is mainly to remove physical attachment towards limited people (bodily/lowkik brothers) only? Then can the Gita teachings be called as spiritual or religious scripture? In fact Gita is unlimited scripture- Father and mother of all the scripture. So- its aim should also be unlimited, is it not?
Let us find the real significance in the next post.
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# Post No. 128)Essence in Gita- Part 08: WHY Gita says to sacrifice ATTACHMENT?:-
572)ATTACHMENT IS IGNORANCE, DETACHMENT IS TRUTH:- Body is like car/Chariot and soul is the driver. One is separate than the other even though both are combined. This is the BASIC truth. God of Gita just reminds us this basic truth. Due to continuous cycles of rebirths from Golden Age to Iron Age, we human souls get attached to the body and forget the soul and become body conscious. This is cause for vices, sin, self and world degradation. This is the time of climax.
573)If we study Gita verses, it says lots about mental meditation about soul and Supreme Soul. Obviously the aim of Gita teachings is to develop soul consciousness and Supreme consciousness. But, when Gita became false, this spiritual significance got lost and Gita got depicted as a tool to motivate to conquer just limited attachment (towards just blood/lowkik relatives Kourava brothers).
574)Not only that- to fight against vices and sin, there is need to conquer attachment. To conquer bodily attachment, there is need to gain spiritual knowledge, is it not?
For fighting physical war, is there need of spiritual knowledge? If spiritual knowledge is necessary to fight physical war, then question arises- how can Kouravas and any other soldiers fight without being trained spiritually?
575)Without understanding the most simple/basic truth, Gita lost its value when got depicted as a tool for physical war. Attachment is the ROOT CAUSE OF ALL EVILS. This will be explained in next post.
# Post No. 129)Essence in Gita- Part 09: Why BROTHERS/RELATIVES are considered as enemies in Gita:-
# Post No. 130)Essence in Gita- Part 10: How even SELF is also enemy:-
576)In fact, Gita directs to sacrifice all vices. And attachment is root cause for all evils. Of all the three types of attachments- towards self, towards brothers/relatives, and towards materials, man commits sin due to attachment with body of self and brothers/relatives. These two attachments need to be conquered for spiritual progress. Hence in Gita, self and brothers are shown as enemies.
577)Gita 06:05 says- "Elevate yourself through the power of your mind, and not degrade yourself, for the mind can be the friend and also the enemy of the self". Here also it clearly says- VICES/SIN is the enemy. If we make our mind impure/vicious, it will lead to sin, and then to loss.
578)But, unfortunately, when Gita became false, devotees could not realize this simple truth, and Gita got depicted as a tool to motivate to fight against unrighteous brothers.
572)ATTACHMENT IS IGNORANCE, DETACHMENT IS TRUTH:- Body is like car/Chariot and soul is the driver. One is separate than the other even though both are combined. This is the BASIC truth. God of Gita just reminds us this basic truth. Due to continuous cycles of rebirths from Golden Age to Iron Age, we human souls get attached to the body and forget the soul and become body conscious. This is cause for vices, sin, self and world degradation. This is the time of climax.
573)If we study Gita verses, it says lots about mental meditation about soul and Supreme Soul. Obviously the aim of Gita teachings is to develop soul consciousness and Supreme consciousness. But, when Gita became false, this spiritual significance got lost and Gita got depicted as a tool to motivate to conquer just limited attachment (towards just blood/lowkik relatives Kourava brothers).
574)Not only that- to fight against vices and sin, there is need to conquer attachment. To conquer bodily attachment, there is need to gain spiritual knowledge, is it not?
For fighting physical war, is there need of spiritual knowledge? If spiritual knowledge is necessary to fight physical war, then question arises- how can Kouravas and any other soldiers fight without being trained spiritually?
575)Without understanding the most simple/basic truth, Gita lost its value when got depicted as a tool for physical war. Attachment is the ROOT CAUSE OF ALL EVILS. This will be explained in next post.
# Post No. 129)Essence in Gita- Part 09: Why BROTHERS/RELATIVES are considered as enemies in Gita:-
# Post No. 130)Essence in Gita- Part 10: How even SELF is also enemy:-
576)In fact, Gita directs to sacrifice all vices. And attachment is root cause for all evils. Of all the three types of attachments- towards self, towards brothers/relatives, and towards materials, man commits sin due to attachment with body of self and brothers/relatives. These two attachments need to be conquered for spiritual progress. Hence in Gita, self and brothers are shown as enemies.
577)Gita 06:05 says- "Elevate yourself through the power of your mind, and not degrade yourself, for the mind can be the friend and also the enemy of the self". Here also it clearly says- VICES/SIN is the enemy. If we make our mind impure/vicious, it will lead to sin, and then to loss.
578)But, unfortunately, when Gita became false, devotees could not realize this simple truth, and Gita got depicted as a tool to motivate to fight against unrighteous brothers.
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# Post No. 131)Effects of Attachment explained in detail:-
580)Due to the two attachments (with body of self and those of relatives/brothers) everyone becomes selfish and gets into bondage as well as commit sins.
--Due to attachment, one gives higher preference towards family matters than the society or national issues. Hence one does not get enough courage to face situations or even criminals in the society. Criminals hide and commit crimes easily in a society where there is attachment.
--Attachment makes us lose power to understand, realize, judge, face and sacrifice.
--Attachment lowers our SELF ESTEEM, we get influenced by others as well as we become a disturbance to others as well. This causes wastage of our most precious time, money and energy. It also degrades our most important power- the intellect.
581)Due to attachment people do not like to donate or even pay tax to the government. People spend their earnings just to self and their brothers (blood relatives). People support, look after their parents. But they do not support government and the nature to the same extent. Actually it is the nature that gives us food and government which gives us jobs, maintains law and order, etc. Parents become instrument just create us and put us in the bondage of karma. They increase population and burden on earth. But it is nature that gives us food and it is govt that creates proper environment to use nature. Of course, parents and relatives also help us in bringing up, educating, etc. but their importance is after the nature and govt. Due to attachment people pollute the nature and weaken the government.
[Our first parent is God (bestower of spiritual bliss, divine character and heaven), then the physical nature (health), then the Govt (discipline and social responsibility) and then the physical parents (family responsibility)- No doubt- minimum level of duty and responsibility in each category comes first. One should look after his parents, relations, etc. But, after these duties are completed, then one’s respect/focus should be in the above hierarchy].
--When people do not pay or support government properly, then govt also needs to earn by wrong means. For example- by imposing heavy taxes, by selling cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets, etc. It then fails to ban these anti social things and this vicious cycle continues in society.
582)It is due to attachment one fails to give real respect to himself as well as to others. He will have extra love (attachment) towards his brothers (blood relatives). This will cause lack of adjusting power and the person will not be able to adjust with others. This indirectly creates a sense of hatredness or disturbance and conflicts towards others. This develops an unhealthy gap/bridge between citizens of a country. This divides the citizens and makes the country weak.
--Government also becomes weak and corrupted when the govt officials are attached to position and power, which is again due to attachment towards their relatives or party, etc. They too then give first preference to their party than nation. Then even good efforts of the people go in vain.
583)We should EAT TO LIVE. But attachment makes us- LIVE TO EAT. This is a great burden and develops wrong competition. Due to attachment, stress increases and that deteriorates even physical health. According to medical science, cause for more than 70% physical disease lies in mind.
584)One cannot progress properly due to attachment. Attachment makes our intellect weak. An airplane needs to overcome attachment with/from the ground (gravitational force) to fly. Journey through airplane is fastest and gives best enjoyment. Similarly the highest/spiritual happiness is super sensuous joy/bliss (paramaanand or brahmaanand). For that one should lose attachment with his body, bodily relations and materials. Hence there is need of knowledge of soul and the whole of Gita is to lose attachment.
--For spiritual journey, limited attachments and emotions towards body of self, relations and with the materials should be overcome.
583)If we step further, it is due to attachment with our own people (relatives) we develop enmity with others. Even if we are attached to just to citizens of our country, we may experience other countries as enemies. So- universal brotherhood is lost and this keeps man in unwanted fight with man himself and leads to the highest disaster. Gita is the only Universal scripture that teaches to sacrifice all the Iron Aged religions (18-66). It opens door to heaven and liberation.
HENCE THE TWO ATTACHMENTS (WITH BODY OF SELF AND BROTHERS or RELATIVES) ARE THE ONES THAT HINDER REAL PROGRESS OF SELF AS WELL AS THE NATION AND THE WHOLE WORLD FROM ALL POINTS OF VIEW (SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY), BECAUSE IT MAKES US SELFISH, WEAK AND DIVIDES US. HENCE Gita KNOWLEDGE DIRECTS FOR COMPLETE UPLIFTMENT OF THE WHOLE MANKIND- SPIRITUALLY, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY.
SO- ONE NEEDS TO HAVE VAIRAAGYA (DIS INTEREST) AND TRY TO LOSE ATTACHMENT WITH ONE’S OWN BODY AND WITH HIS RELATIVES SO THAT HE CAN CONQUER VICES AND SINS. This is the essence of Gita. For that it is said in many shlokas that one’s mind should be immersed in love of God. Attachment to God gives strength to get detached from worldly things/relations and handle them naturally, properly and fully.
For example- a naturally healthy person does not need support/help from others. So- he will not have attachment to others for his health. Similarly a person whose mind in naturally healthy will have self esteem. To make mind healthy natural, one should have values in his life and the source of the values is God HIMSELF. Hence we need to remember God to have healthy and powerful mind and any sign of attachment is unhealthiness, depending, bondage and disturbance to others.
584)When we act without attachment, even if any action becomes wrong, the side effect will be lesser. (Like- a child committing mistakes have less effect on society).
When attachment becomes totally zero, one becomes free from all bondages and responsibilities. He becomes like a sun that radiates. Hence in Gita it is said- one who is free from attachment has no bondage of karma/actions. He can do any action or he need not do any action (Because he is like a radiating sun that delivers more than anyone who does many good deeds/actions).
585)Every creature has a special power in it. For example- the power to smell in a dog, the power of vision of an eagle, etc. Similarly, man’s specialty is power of intellect. If the creature fails to use its special power, its life becomes a waste or ordinary. Similarly, when human intellect is lost by attachment, human life also becomes ordinary.
Gita says to maintain balance in everything and one needs to be free from attachment to obtain balance.
586) SUMMARY:- For spiritual effort, attachment towards physical self, materials, and relations need to be conquered. All these attachments are to be conquered. All vices are to be conquered. Even all the impure religions are to be sacrificed (refer to Gita 18-66). - All these teachings are mentioned in Gita.
There is need of high internal effort in sacrificing/conquering these attachments and vices. This internal effort is like a spiritual war.
583)But, of all the above attachments- highest effort is necessary when we are/deal with others. STRESS/CONFLICTS usually arises in RELATIONS with others. When we deal with self and materials, there is more self control. But, when we deal with others, the self control is less. Perhaps this is the reason why in Gita or Mahabharat, the fight is shown as fight with brothers Pandavas and Kouravas, where Pandavas represent dharma (righteousness), and kouravas represent a_dharma (unrighteousness). There is also both a pandava (good, right) and kourava(bad, wrong) in everyone's mind and intellect which fight with each other when we put try to look towards inside of self spiritually, is it not?
All people- that is- whole population are spiritual children of God. In this context, any fight is like fight with brothers. Hence in Gita- the real aim is shown as fight with brothers, is it not?
And- Arjun stands for spiritual status. Arjun = Imbibe. Those who imbibe spiritual knowledge are spiritual Arjuns.
In fact, God comes at the time of climax when the whole word including nature gets degraded. Hence Gita teachings direct to practice UNLIMITED DISINTEREST. That is - it is like- everything (every impure thing) is enemy for a spiritual effort-maker. Since the whole world is impure, we need to lose attachment towards the whole world including one's own body. Because even the Iron Aged body is impure, which is created by lust.
584)But- unfortunately, when the unlimited scripture (which is actually for whole mankind) got depicted as for limited purpose (for limited relation of Kouravas and for limited/worldly/lowkik purpose), Gita got depicted as a motivation for physical war and the real purpose of Gita got lost and it got depicted as a tool to motivate for physical war.
Due to this, the devotees could not realize the real significance of unlimited attachment. That too when corporeal Krishna got seated at God's place, (body has limitation) so unlimited/highest feelings got absent and other religions could neither realize nor praise mother Gita even to threshold level. So- effect of making Gita as a False scripture (misinterpretation of Gita) is the major cause for all these.
585)There is a word called - HITA_SHATRU (good enemies). They think of good to us, but become enemy/hindrance in our progress. This happens in many cases. When parents' attachment towards children is beyond limit, even if they think good for the children, the progress becomes deteriorated.
Similarly, in spiritual progress, attachment even to bodily personalities is like hindrance.
In this context also, brothers are like enemies (for an effort-maker), but Gita teachings do not say- to fight physically with anyone.
580)Due to the two attachments (with body of self and those of relatives/brothers) everyone becomes selfish and gets into bondage as well as commit sins.
--Due to attachment, one gives higher preference towards family matters than the society or national issues. Hence one does not get enough courage to face situations or even criminals in the society. Criminals hide and commit crimes easily in a society where there is attachment.
--Attachment makes us lose power to understand, realize, judge, face and sacrifice.
--Attachment lowers our SELF ESTEEM, we get influenced by others as well as we become a disturbance to others as well. This causes wastage of our most precious time, money and energy. It also degrades our most important power- the intellect.
581)Due to attachment people do not like to donate or even pay tax to the government. People spend their earnings just to self and their brothers (blood relatives). People support, look after their parents. But they do not support government and the nature to the same extent. Actually it is the nature that gives us food and government which gives us jobs, maintains law and order, etc. Parents become instrument just create us and put us in the bondage of karma. They increase population and burden on earth. But it is nature that gives us food and it is govt that creates proper environment to use nature. Of course, parents and relatives also help us in bringing up, educating, etc. but their importance is after the nature and govt. Due to attachment people pollute the nature and weaken the government.
[Our first parent is God (bestower of spiritual bliss, divine character and heaven), then the physical nature (health), then the Govt (discipline and social responsibility) and then the physical parents (family responsibility)- No doubt- minimum level of duty and responsibility in each category comes first. One should look after his parents, relations, etc. But, after these duties are completed, then one’s respect/focus should be in the above hierarchy].
--When people do not pay or support government properly, then govt also needs to earn by wrong means. For example- by imposing heavy taxes, by selling cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets, etc. It then fails to ban these anti social things and this vicious cycle continues in society.
582)It is due to attachment one fails to give real respect to himself as well as to others. He will have extra love (attachment) towards his brothers (blood relatives). This will cause lack of adjusting power and the person will not be able to adjust with others. This indirectly creates a sense of hatredness or disturbance and conflicts towards others. This develops an unhealthy gap/bridge between citizens of a country. This divides the citizens and makes the country weak.
--Government also becomes weak and corrupted when the govt officials are attached to position and power, which is again due to attachment towards their relatives or party, etc. They too then give first preference to their party than nation. Then even good efforts of the people go in vain.
583)We should EAT TO LIVE. But attachment makes us- LIVE TO EAT. This is a great burden and develops wrong competition. Due to attachment, stress increases and that deteriorates even physical health. According to medical science, cause for more than 70% physical disease lies in mind.
584)One cannot progress properly due to attachment. Attachment makes our intellect weak. An airplane needs to overcome attachment with/from the ground (gravitational force) to fly. Journey through airplane is fastest and gives best enjoyment. Similarly the highest/spiritual happiness is super sensuous joy/bliss (paramaanand or brahmaanand). For that one should lose attachment with his body, bodily relations and materials. Hence there is need of knowledge of soul and the whole of Gita is to lose attachment.
--For spiritual journey, limited attachments and emotions towards body of self, relations and with the materials should be overcome.
583)If we step further, it is due to attachment with our own people (relatives) we develop enmity with others. Even if we are attached to just to citizens of our country, we may experience other countries as enemies. So- universal brotherhood is lost and this keeps man in unwanted fight with man himself and leads to the highest disaster. Gita is the only Universal scripture that teaches to sacrifice all the Iron Aged religions (18-66). It opens door to heaven and liberation.
HENCE THE TWO ATTACHMENTS (WITH BODY OF SELF AND BROTHERS or RELATIVES) ARE THE ONES THAT HINDER REAL PROGRESS OF SELF AS WELL AS THE NATION AND THE WHOLE WORLD FROM ALL POINTS OF VIEW (SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, ECONOMICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY), BECAUSE IT MAKES US SELFISH, WEAK AND DIVIDES US. HENCE Gita KNOWLEDGE DIRECTS FOR COMPLETE UPLIFTMENT OF THE WHOLE MANKIND- SPIRITUALLY, SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY.
SO- ONE NEEDS TO HAVE VAIRAAGYA (DIS INTEREST) AND TRY TO LOSE ATTACHMENT WITH ONE’S OWN BODY AND WITH HIS RELATIVES SO THAT HE CAN CONQUER VICES AND SINS. This is the essence of Gita. For that it is said in many shlokas that one’s mind should be immersed in love of God. Attachment to God gives strength to get detached from worldly things/relations and handle them naturally, properly and fully.
For example- a naturally healthy person does not need support/help from others. So- he will not have attachment to others for his health. Similarly a person whose mind in naturally healthy will have self esteem. To make mind healthy natural, one should have values in his life and the source of the values is God HIMSELF. Hence we need to remember God to have healthy and powerful mind and any sign of attachment is unhealthiness, depending, bondage and disturbance to others.
584)When we act without attachment, even if any action becomes wrong, the side effect will be lesser. (Like- a child committing mistakes have less effect on society).
When attachment becomes totally zero, one becomes free from all bondages and responsibilities. He becomes like a sun that radiates. Hence in Gita it is said- one who is free from attachment has no bondage of karma/actions. He can do any action or he need not do any action (Because he is like a radiating sun that delivers more than anyone who does many good deeds/actions).
585)Every creature has a special power in it. For example- the power to smell in a dog, the power of vision of an eagle, etc. Similarly, man’s specialty is power of intellect. If the creature fails to use its special power, its life becomes a waste or ordinary. Similarly, when human intellect is lost by attachment, human life also becomes ordinary.
Gita says to maintain balance in everything and one needs to be free from attachment to obtain balance.
586) SUMMARY:- For spiritual effort, attachment towards physical self, materials, and relations need to be conquered. All these attachments are to be conquered. All vices are to be conquered. Even all the impure religions are to be sacrificed (refer to Gita 18-66). - All these teachings are mentioned in Gita.
There is need of high internal effort in sacrificing/conquering these attachments and vices. This internal effort is like a spiritual war.
583)But, of all the above attachments- highest effort is necessary when we are/deal with others. STRESS/CONFLICTS usually arises in RELATIONS with others. When we deal with self and materials, there is more self control. But, when we deal with others, the self control is less. Perhaps this is the reason why in Gita or Mahabharat, the fight is shown as fight with brothers Pandavas and Kouravas, where Pandavas represent dharma (righteousness), and kouravas represent a_dharma (unrighteousness). There is also both a pandava (good, right) and kourava(bad, wrong) in everyone's mind and intellect which fight with each other when we put try to look towards inside of self spiritually, is it not?
All people- that is- whole population are spiritual children of God. In this context, any fight is like fight with brothers. Hence in Gita- the real aim is shown as fight with brothers, is it not?
And- Arjun stands for spiritual status. Arjun = Imbibe. Those who imbibe spiritual knowledge are spiritual Arjuns.
In fact, God comes at the time of climax when the whole word including nature gets degraded. Hence Gita teachings direct to practice UNLIMITED DISINTEREST. That is - it is like- everything (every impure thing) is enemy for a spiritual effort-maker. Since the whole world is impure, we need to lose attachment towards the whole world including one's own body. Because even the Iron Aged body is impure, which is created by lust.
584)But- unfortunately, when the unlimited scripture (which is actually for whole mankind) got depicted as for limited purpose (for limited relation of Kouravas and for limited/worldly/lowkik purpose), Gita got depicted as a motivation for physical war and the real purpose of Gita got lost and it got depicted as a tool to motivate for physical war.
Due to this, the devotees could not realize the real significance of unlimited attachment. That too when corporeal Krishna got seated at God's place, (body has limitation) so unlimited/highest feelings got absent and other religions could neither realize nor praise mother Gita even to threshold level. So- effect of making Gita as a False scripture (misinterpretation of Gita) is the major cause for all these.
585)There is a word called - HITA_SHATRU (good enemies). They think of good to us, but become enemy/hindrance in our progress. This happens in many cases. When parents' attachment towards children is beyond limit, even if they think good for the children, the progress becomes deteriorated.
Similarly, in spiritual progress, attachment even to bodily personalities is like hindrance.
In this context also, brothers are like enemies (for an effort-maker), but Gita teachings do not say- to fight physically with anyone.
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586)So- the point is- due to false Gita, the basic truth of NATURAL DETACHMENT (of eternal soul from the mortal body) got forgotten and devotees' intellect got stuck in analyzing only/mainly the limited attachments.
# Post No. 132)Due to False Gita, devotees could not understand how God incarnates:-
587)We know that God is said as incorporeal in Gita. All the major religions also say the same. Even Vedas say God is incorporeal. Now-
a)Gita verse 08-09 says - God's form is tiny point, smaller than an atom or molecule.
b)Gita verse 08-10 indicates - Place of soul is brain (forehead).
c)Gita Verse 9-11 says- God takes support of human/corporeal form.
d)Gita verse 7-24 says - God's form does not get transformed from incorporeal to corporeal.
e)Gita verse 7-25 says - God does not take birth and death. God is changeless.
f)Gita verse 4-09 says- God takes divine/transcendental birth.
Let us try to analyze these.
---Form of God and soul is tiny point.
---Point c) above indicates God(Supreme Soul eternal and divine tiny point of light & might) enters into a human body and gets seated in its brain.
---Since the tiny point remains as it is in the human body, God's form remains same/changeless. (points d&e above).
---God does not take birth and death. Means God never enters a mother's womb and takes ordinary birth like human being (or animals). -point e.
---God DIRECTLY enters an adult human being in that person's brain. So- this is the divine birth. -point f above.
588)If God's real form (tiny point) had been given primary importance, meaning of the above could have been understood to a great or considerable extent.
But, when corporeal Krishna got placed in the seat of incorporeal God, Gita preachers could not understand the above verses and started interpreting them with ignorance in various ways which can be seen in different websites as shown below.
589)Let us take verse 09-11.
"Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. -a) https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/9/11/
b) https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/9/verse/11
c) https://vivekavani.com/b9v11/
# Post No. 132)Due to False Gita, devotees could not understand how God incarnates:-
587)We know that God is said as incorporeal in Gita. All the major religions also say the same. Even Vedas say God is incorporeal. Now-
a)Gita verse 08-09 says - God's form is tiny point, smaller than an atom or molecule.
b)Gita verse 08-10 indicates - Place of soul is brain (forehead).
c)Gita Verse 9-11 says- God takes support of human/corporeal form.
d)Gita verse 7-24 says - God's form does not get transformed from incorporeal to corporeal.
e)Gita verse 7-25 says - God does not take birth and death. God is changeless.
f)Gita verse 4-09 says- God takes divine/transcendental birth.
Let us try to analyze these.
---Form of God and soul is tiny point.
---Point c) above indicates God(Supreme Soul eternal and divine tiny point of light & might) enters into a human body and gets seated in its brain.
---Since the tiny point remains as it is in the human body, God's form remains same/changeless. (points d&e above).
---God does not take birth and death. Means God never enters a mother's womb and takes ordinary birth like human being (or animals). -point e.
---God DIRECTLY enters an adult human being in that person's brain. So- this is the divine birth. -point f above.
588)If God's real form (tiny point) had been given primary importance, meaning of the above could have been understood to a great or considerable extent.
But, when corporeal Krishna got placed in the seat of incorporeal God, Gita preachers could not understand the above verses and started interpreting them with ignorance in various ways which can be seen in different websites as shown below.
589)Let us take verse 09-11.
"Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. -a) https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/9/11/
b) https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/9/verse/11
c) https://vivekavani.com/b9v11/
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