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# Post No. 133a)Interpretation of VERY IMPORTANT/BASIC Gita verse 9-11 goes wrong due to False Gita:-

591)Gita verse 09-11 is very important/critical. Let us see how lowkik Gita preachers interpret this verse. A sample (from the first link) is reproduced below.
"Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be.- Gita 09-11. -a) https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/9/11/

....The Personality of Godhead, who conducts the creation, maintenance and annihilation of the complete cosmic manifestation, cannot be a human being. Yet there are many foolish men who consider Kṛṣṇa to be merely a powerful man and nothing more.

....In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said that Kṛṣṇa is the supreme controller; there are many controllers undoubtedly, both in the material and spiritual world, but Kṛṣṇa is the supreme controller (īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ), and His body is sac-cid-ānanda, nonmaterial.

Material bodies cannot perform the wonderful acts described in previous verses. His body is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge.

Although He is not a common man, the foolish deride Him and consider Him to be a man. His body is called here mānuṣīm because He is acting just like a man, a friend of Arjuna’s, a politician involved in the Battle of Kurukṣetra.

In so many ways He is acting just like an ordinary man, but actually His body is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha – eternal bliss and knowledge absolute.

This is confirmed in the Vedic language also. Sac-cid-ānanda-rūpāya kṛṣṇāya: “I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, who is the eternal blissful form of knowledge.” (Gopāla-tāpanī Upaniṣad 1.1) There are other descriptions in the Vedic language also. Tam ekaṁ govindam: “You are Govinda, the pleasure of the senses and the cows.” Sac-cid-ānanda-vigraham: “And Your form is transcendental, full of knowledge, bliss and eternality.” (Gopāla-tāpanī Upaniṣad 1.38)


Despite the transcendental qualities of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s body, its full bliss and knowledge, there are many so-called scholars and commentators of Bhagavad-gītā who deride Kṛṣṇa as an ordinary man. The scholar may be born an extraordinary man due to his previous good work, but this conception of Śrī Kṛṣṇa is due to a poor fund of knowledge. Therefore he is called mūḍha, for only foolish persons consider Kṛṣṇa to be an ordinary human being.

The foolish consider Kṛṣṇa an ordinary human being because they do not know the confidential activities of the Supreme Lord and His different energies. They do not know that Kṛṣṇa’s body is a symbol of complete knowledge and bliss, that He is the proprietor of everything that be and that He can award liberation to anyone. Because they do not know that Kṛṣṇa has so many transcendental qualifications, they deride Him.
Nor do they know that the appearance of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in this material world is a manifestation of His internal energy.

He is the master of the material energy. As has been explained in several places (Mama māyā duratyayā), He claims that the material energy, although very powerful, is under His control, and whoever surrenders unto Him can get out of the control of this material energy.

If a soul surrendered to Kṛṣṇa can get out of the influence of material energy, then how can the Supreme Lord, who conducts the creation, maintenance and annihilation of the whole cosmic nature, have a material body like us? So this conception of Kṛṣṇa is complete foolishness. Foolish persons, however, cannot conceive that the Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, appearing just like an ordinary man, can be the controller of all the atoms and of the gigantic manifestation of the universal form. The biggest and the minutest are beyond their conception, so they cannot imagine that a form like that of a human being can simultaneously control the infinite and the minute. Actually, although He is controlling the infinite and the finite, He is apart from all this manifestation. It is clearly stated concerning His yogam aiśvaram, His inconceivable transcendental energy, that He can control the infinite and the finite simultaneously and that He can remain aloof from them. Although the foolish cannot imagine how Kṛṣṇa, who appears just like a human being, can control the infinite and the finite, those who are pure devotees accept this, for they know that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore they completely surrender unto Him and engage in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, devotional service of the Lord.


There are many controversies between the impersonalists and the personalists about the Lord’s appearance as a human being. But if we consult Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the authoritative texts for understanding the science of Kṛṣṇa, then we can understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is not an ordinary man, although He appeared on this earth as an ordinary human. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, First Canto, First Chapter, when the sages headed by Śaunaka inquired about the activities of Kṛṣṇa, they said:
kṛtavān kila karmāṇi
saha rāmeṇa keśavaḥ
ati-martyāni bhagavān
gūḍhaḥ kapaṭa-māṇuṣaḥ
“Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, along with Balarāma, played like a human being, and so masked He performed many superhuman acts.” (Bhāg. 1.1.20) The Lord’s appearance as a man bewilders the foolish. No human being could perform the wonderful acts that Kṛṣṇa performed while He was present on this earth. When Kṛṣṇa appeared before His Father and mother, Vasudeva and Devakī, He appeared with four hands, but after the prayers of the parents He transformed Himself into an ordinary child. As stated in the Bhāgavatam (10.3.46), babhūva prākṛtaḥ śiśuḥ: He became just like an ordinary child, an ordinary human being. Now, here again it is indicated that the Lord’s appearance as an ordinary human being is one of the features of His transcendental body. In the Eleventh Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated that Arjuna prayed to see Kṛṣṇa’s form of four hands (tenaiva rūpeṇa catur-bhujena). After revealing this form, Kṛṣṇa, when petitioned by Arjuna, again assumed His original humanlike form (mānuṣaṁ rūpam). These different features of the Supreme Lord are certainly not those of an ordinary human being.
Some of those who deride Kṛṣṇa and who are infected with the Māyāvādī philosophy quote the following verse from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (3.29.21) to prove that Kṛṣṇa is just an ordinary man. Ahaṁ sarveṣu bhūteṣu bhūtātmāvasthitaḥ sadā: “The Supreme is present in every living entity.” We should better take note of this particular verse from the Vaiṣṇava ācāryas like Jīva Gosvāmī and Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura instead of following the interpretation of unauthorized persons who deride Kṛṣṇa. Jīva Gosvāmī, commenting on this verse, says that Kṛṣṇa, in His plenary expansion as Paramātmā, is situated in the moving and the nonmoving entities as the Supersoul, so any neophyte devotee who simply gives his attention to the arcā-mūrti, the form of the Supreme Lord in the temple, and does not respect other living entities is uselessly worshiping the form of the Lord in the temple. There are three kinds of devotees of the Lord, and the neophyte is in the lowest stage. The neophyte devotee gives more attention to the Deity in the temple than to other devotees, so Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura warns that this sort of mentality should be corrected. A devotee should see that because Kṛṣṇa is present in everyone’s heart as Paramātmā, every body is the embodiment or the temple of the Supreme Lord; so as one offers respect to the temple of the Lord, he should similarly properly respect each and every body in which the Paramātmā dwells. Everyone should therefore be given proper respect and should not be neglected.


There are also many impersonalists who deride temple worship. They say that since God is everywhere, why should one restrict himself to temple worship? But if God is everywhere, is He not in the temple or in the Deity? Although the personalist and the impersonalist will fight with one another perpetually, a perfect devotee in Kṛṣṇa consciousness knows that although Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality, He is all-pervading, as confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. Although His personal abode is Goloka Vṛndāvana and He is always staying there, by His different manifestations of energy and by His plenary expansion He is present everywhere in all parts of the material and spiritual creation.
592)Now, let us see the effects.

---Gita preachers ended up in praising of just physical body of Sri Krishna only. That is- praising of body/mortal instead of soul/eternal. Eternal/Point form of both human soul as well as Supreme Soul- totally got ignored/forgotten.
---Inadvertently, Sri Krishna's level is brought down from human deity to mere human level. [Actually Brahma is the real Chariot of God, who is Iron Aged impure human being, hence people deride him. But, when Sri Krishna got placed in the seat of God, even Sri Krishna's level inadvertently got down to mere human being at least in some aspects.]

---Gita preachers considered just physical body of Krishna itself for all the greatness of God. They just equated Sri Krishna's physical body to embodiment of knowledge, bliss, etc. [In fact, bliss, knowledge, etc. are related to mind and intellects which are part of soul].

--In fact, the Gita preachers ended up in praising/placing body(mortal) at a higher place than soul (eternal).
---The only holy/spiritual scripture Gita came down to human level and confused state.
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# Post No. 134)Wrong interpretation results in VIOLATION of ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and basic definition of GOD as well:-

593)This matter is indirectly explained in the last and previous posts. Adding more points here.

594)Let's take the second interpretation of the same verse - i.e.- https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/9/verse/11
https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/9/verse/11

Good teachers occasionally use strong words to jostle their students out of the complacence of shallow thinking, into a deeper state of thoughtfulness. Here, Shree Krishna uses the word mūḍha, which means “dim-witted,” to describe those who deny the divinity of His personal form.

Those who say that God is only formless and cannot manifest in a personal form, contradict the definition of God as being all-mighty and all-powerful. The Supreme Lord has created this entire world full of forms, shapes, and colors. If He can do such an amazing feat of creating myriad forms in the world, can He not create a form for Himself? Or is it that God says, “I do not have the power to manifest in a personal form, and hence I am only formless light.” To say that He cannot possess a personal form makes Him incomplete.

We tiny souls also possess forms. If one holds that God cannot possess a form, then the corollary is that He has even less power than us a human beings. For God to be perfect and complete, He must have both attributes to His personality—a personal aspect and a formless aspect....
595)The above interpretation violates the original definition of "God is Truth (UNCHANGING)". Emotionally the above interpretation seems correct at some places, but intellectually it goes totally wrong. It brings down level of God to a very low state to the material level. Like when heated, water form turns into vapour, when cooled, it turns into ice, etc. So- to say- point form of God can assume any other form is a great blunder.

---Take case of a human being, the physical form remains same throughout during that birth = A human soul wears same body throughout the birth (body may get old, but remains same). Of course, the person can change his dress at any time, but not the body (during a particular birth). That is- the one that gets changed (the dress) definitely has less value.

---Take example of a rich person. A rich person can buy or sell or posses any/many things. But, the value of those things are much less than his own value. Even here, his physical body form (as well as the internal soul form) remains same while doing these activities.

---Take example of a very powerful person, King. His value is higher than the throne or the palace. So- to praise the throne or palace more than the King himself would be ignorance. Even here, whatever may be the activities of a Kind, his internal soul form as well as the body remains same throughout the period.

---So- if Gita preachers say- eternal form of God can take any form, they are doing two great blunders. First is- they bring down level of God to material/dress. Second they are violating the definition of God as TRUTH/UNCHANGING/CONSTANT all the time.

In fact, God is all powerful, means point form of God can enter any body at any time. It does not means that God will lose his form to the dress/body. Hence to praise any body/dress, whether of number one human deity Krishna also brings down the eternal level of God.

More on this is said in Post No. 109/110 - here - viewtopic.php?p=57544&hilit=rice&sid=fa ... a6f#p57544

Continuation of - https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/9/verse/11

The Vedic scriptures state:

apaśhyaṁ gopāṁ anipadyamānamā
(Ṛig Veda 1.22.164 sūkta 31)

“I had the vision of God as a boy who is never annihilated, and who appeared in a family of cowherds.”

dwibhūjaṁ mauna mudrāḍhyaṁ vana mālinamīśhwaram
(Gopāl Tāpani Upaniṣhad 1.13)

“The Lord, wearing a garland of forest flowers, plays His flute, enchantingly forming the mauna mudrā with His hands.”

gūḍhaṁ paraṁ brahma manuṣhya-liṅgam
(Bhagavatam 7.15.75)

“The deepest knowledge is that God accepts a human-like form.”

yatrāvatīrṇo bhagavān paramātmā narākṛitiḥ
(Bhagavatam 9.23.20)

“At that time, the Supreme Lord, who possesses all opulences, descended in a human-like form.”

īśhwaraḥ paramaḥ kṛiṣhṇaḥ sachchidānanda vigrahaḥ
anādirādir govindaḥ sarvakāraṇa kāraṇam
(Brahma Samhitā 5.1)

In this verse, Brahma prays to Shree Krishna, “I worship Lord Krishna whose form is eternal, all-knowing, and blissful. He is without beginning and end, and is the cause of all causes.”

However, in regard to the personal form of God, we must keep in mind that it is a divine form, which means it is devoid of all the defects found in material forms. The form of God is sat-chit-ānand—it is eternal, full of knowledge, and constituted of divine bliss.

asyāpi deva vapuṣho mad-anugrahasya
svechchhā-mayasya na tu bhūta-mayasya ko ’pi
(Bhagavatam 10.14.2)

In this verse, Lord Brahma prays to Shree Krishna, “O Lord, Your body is not made of pañch mahābhūta (the five great elements); it is divine And You have descended in this form by Your own free will, to bestow Your grace upon souls like myself.”

In chapter four of the Bhagavad Gita, Shree Krishna stated: “Although I am unborn, the Lord of all living entities, and have an imperishable nature, yet I appear in this world by virtue of Yogmaya, my divine power.” (4.6) This means that not only does God possess a form, but He also descends in the world as an Avatar.

Since we souls have been taking births in the world from time immemorial, it is plausible that we were present in the human form on the earth when a previous descension of God was present on the earth. It is even possible that we saw the descension. However, the limitation was that God’s form was divine and we possessed material eyes. So when we saw Him with our eyes, we were unable to recognize the divinity of His personality.

The divine nature of God’s form is such that His divinity is perceived by each person only to the extent of his or her spiritual power. When those who are influenced by sattva guṇa see Him, they think, “Shree Krishna is a special person. He is very competent but is definitely not God.” When those under the spell of rajo guṇa see Him, they say, “There is nothing special in Him. He is very much like us.” When those dominated by tamo guṇa see Him, they think, “He is egotistic and characterless, much worse than us.” It is only the God-realized saints who can recognize Him as God, since they have received divine vision by His grace. And so, Shree Krishna says that the unaware materially conditioned souls do not know Him when He takes an avatar in the world.
596)Here- we can see the Gita preacher/s saying- "Body of Krishna is not made of five elements".
Any OVERCONFIDENCE or OVER-VALUING is wrong. Similarly praising any body to the level of soul or above it will only lead to ignorance/degradation.
[Overconfidence indirectly indicates under-confidence. Similarly, Overvaluation will lead to devaluation. If Hindus have declared Sri Krishna as only deities, other religions would not have got so much hatred on Hinduism. Main policy of major religions Islam and Christianity is- WORSHIP ONLY ONE GOD BUT NONE. When Hindus placed corporeal deity at the seat of God, these religions thought it is a great violation of religion and started attacking Hindus and their temples, etc. etc.].

[597)Suppose say- if the Gita preachers say- "Point/Eternal/Real form of God entered in physical body of someone else (say- that of Sri Krishna) and spoke Gita knowledge", that would have been at least some value, since form/status of of God remains same. But, unfortunately, the preachers ended up in equating physical form/body of Sri Krishna itself to the level of God.

598)Definitely, body of Sri Krishna is special, it is body of deity, and divine, that is - it is made of pure elements/nature. It is flawless body. It does not get sweat like Iron Aged world people, it does not emit bad smell like Iron Aged human body. But, it is perishable and material only. It has such a radiation that one cannot get influenced by vices when seeing that body. ]

599)On one hand, Gita preachers say- body of Sri Krishna is not made of five elements, but on the other hand, they say- Sri Krishna's body got penetrated by a hunter's arrow and that was end of Sri Krishna's life! Totally contradicting, is it not?

600)So- these (mis)interpretations violate basic definition of God itself. Because form of God can never change. That is- it violates the absolute truth - "God is incorporeal".
It also violates the absolute truth- "Status of Soul is higher than soul".
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# Post No. 135)The major religions too violate Absolute Truth:-

601)Other religions also failed in describing/defining God.

602)For example, according to Bible and Quran, God created Universe to glorify Himself, worship Himself and to test human beings and to give gift to human beings. One can do google search. Now, if we see the causes, major causes clearly indicate God as selfish. In their prayer, fear of God takes first place. Then comes natural love, respect to God, and bliss, etc.

603)According to these religions, after the creation God tests them and then their future fate (after the life) is determined. For the test to begin, the children should reach the age of accountability. Now-
---God may create even handicapped children and test!
--Some children die before the age of accountability. So- their test is not possible. Their fate is determined without test. So- God's test itself is biased, is it not?
[Both the religions suggest a place of eternal rest or reward for those who die before reaching an age of accountability/understanding].

604)God produces weak products?
According to these religions, God is a like a machine that triggers for production/creation of billions of people and creatures in this Universe.
Normally, a good factory first tests its products and then sends/releases to the market after Quality Check is passed.
But, here God/Allah creates/sends products directly to the market/world and then puts them for test. He may produce weak, handicapped babies as well. That is not wrong according to these religions!
A factory is considered as good if most of its products pass Quality test. But, here, most of the products are failure and they get title kafir and would be sent to eternal hell. So- most of the Allah's product are of weak quality.

605)God creates not only Satan but also (eternal) hell?
A good factory produces good products. Main aim is not to produce even pollution.
But, here they believe God creates eternal hell as well as God's own creation turned into Satan.
God even though knowing in advance that majority of his creation would become failure, still got ready for creation? And God created Hell, that too eternal hell for them?

606)God or Allah never gets satisfied?
For so many centuries God has been creating billions of babies and creatures kept on testing. Still God's test is not completed? He is still creating?!
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# Post No. 136)Few more examples of violation of Absolute Truth:-

607)Hinduism, it is shown that- God gives boons even to asuras/demons- Eg- Brahma and Shankar/Shiva gives boons to asuras/evil/demons like- Mahishaasur, Shambh, Nishumbh, etc for their tapasyaa/meditation. These asuras are shown as doing rigorous tapasyaa/meditation of Gods (usually Shiva and Brahma). Then the Gods became satisfied and gave them boons. Then these asuras committed lot of crimes in earth, heaven, too. Even in heaven, there is risk of sudden attack of these asuras.

Now- the questions arise-
---Can/Will God give boons to even evil personalities like asuras?
---Can the asuras(such VERY HIGH level of evil personalities) have love, affection towards God?
---Can these asuras develop such a deep concentration to do tapasyaa/meditation?

608)In Islam, killing of non-believers is permitted. Forcible conversion, putting heavy tax, etc. are also permitted.

609)According to Islam and Christianity- All the nonbelievers will go to eternal hell even if they are very good human beings. (Limited) Faith is has more importance than character in these religions. [Even though Islam and Christianity believe in incorporeal form of God, they neither know God's real/point form, nor they are really/practically attached to God. Hence they are more attached to their prophets than God or character].

610)Advaita Philosophy also is like violation of Absolute Truth. Details already put in Posts 97 and 98.

611)Buddhism believes in reincarnation, but not fixed/eternal soul. Hence there is confusion in the absolute aspects like soul and God.

612)All these short-comes/errors in these various scriptures have direct or at least indirect connection with False Gita.
If the incorporeal form of God had been realized properly or at least pressed/announced by the Gita scholars/preachers (instead of corporeal Krishna), even karma philosophy and character would have got importance in Islam and Christianity (instead of which are based on mere limited faith), is it not?

And- confusion in Advaita philosophy and Buddhism too would have got reduced, is it not?

613)By seeing the corruption/errors in these various scriptures/religions, Buddhism might have turned into ignoring the most important entities- God (Supreme Soul) and Soul. In this way, partly, Buddhism got turned into atheism.
Readers are free to think, churn, judge and proceed as they feel correct.
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# Post No. 137) Essence of Gita- Part ELEVEN:- Right Interpretation of Verse 9-11

615)Referring to Post No. 132,the verses - 08:09, 08:10, 07:24, 07:25, 04:06 to 04:09, 10:03 - viewtopic.php?t=2717&sid=2df18d693fbab2 ... a&start=75

Adding a couple of verses - 02:22 and 02:23 here-

616)Verse 02:22- https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/2/verse/22

"vasansi jirnani yatha vihaya
navani grihnati naro ’parani
tatha sharirani vihaya jirnanya
nyani sanyati navani dehi"

Meaning = "As a person sheds worn-out garments and wears new ones, likewise, at the time of death, the soul casts off its worn-out body and enters a new one."

This verse implies - body is related to cloth/garment/dress. Soul is related to person. When a person changes his dress, his form remains same, is it not?
Similarly, when a soul sheds its present body and takes next body, its form also remains same. So- form of soul should remain constant- as per the above verse..

617)Verse 02:23- https://www.holy-bhagavad-Gita.org/chapter/2/verse/23

"nainaṁ chhindanti śhastrāṇi nainaṁ dahati pāvakaḥ
na chainaṁ kledayantyāpo na śhoṣhayati mārutaḥ"

Meaning = "Weapons cannot shred the soul, nor can fire burn it. Water cannot wet it, nor can the wind dry it."

Here also it says- no physical change can happen in soul. Means form of soul should remain constant.[/video]
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618) From these- we can imply- a soul when sheds its present body and takes next body, it gets seated at the same place, that is- centre of eyebrows (brain) in the next body. And- its form remains same- that is POINT.

619)So- when form of soul cannot change as per Gita, how can form of God change? When incorporeal/point form of soul cannot get transformed into physical body, how can incorporeal/point form of God can change as bodies of Sri Krishna, Sri Ram, etc?

620)So- how to interpret verse 9-11 that says- I(God) takes support of human being?

EXPLANATION:-
----Like a soul's place in a human body is always the seat of eyebrows/brain, so even the incorporeal/point God should also take seat at the place of human brain only in a human body, is it not?
---So- God taking support of human body = incarnation of God means = God entering already existing human body = God entering a human being's body, and being seated close to that human soul (eyebrows/brain).

--So-Two souls will be sitting in that body, one the original human soul, the owner of the body, the other is the Supreme Soul. (Soul and Supreme Soul are so tiny that requires very less space. So- even two souls can sit close to each other in one body).

621)Some may question- how can two souls sit in one body? Where is Gita it is said - two souls can sit in one body?
More Explanation:-

Gita verses clearly say- God is above (physical) birth and deaths, God cannot take physical form (God's form can never be physical), God cannot be like human being, God cannot take birth like human being, hence God cannot take birth physically through human womb(Sri Krishna, Sri Ram took births through human womb only), etc, etc, but at the same time say God takes support of human being, God takes divine birth. So-

If God cannot take birth like human beings, but at the same time takes support of human being, it implies God should take support of an ALREADY EXISTING HUMAN BEING, is it not?

622)God is called as INCORPOREAL, as well as CREATOR. Role of Creation is given to Brahma also who is corporeal (obviously has body). This implies for the role of creation, God should take support of (incarnate = enter) Brahma's body, is it not? Hence Brahma is the Chariot of God. More about creator and creation will be explained in next post.

# Post No. 138)False Gita made Intellects of the coming generation handicapped to churn:-

623)When name of corporeal Sri Krishna got finalized/declared at incorporeal God's seat, the room to think, churn and interpret about the incarnation of POINT OF DIVINE LIGHT AND MIGHT Supreme Soul got lost. Even the awareness and importance of God's Chariot too got lost and the critical verses like 9-11 and similar others got totally misinterpreted and the Hindu devotees lost the track to reach incorporeal/real God.

624)Not only the existing generation, but also the coming generation too became intellectually handicapped to a great extent to interpret or realize POINT/REAL form of God and his incarnation.
Because when all the Gita believers and followers will be in the state of corporeal feeling [due to the Supreme Personality (God of Gita) HIMSELF being projected as corporeal/Krishna], how can anyone try to interpret the verse properly? Even if anyone realizes incorporeal truth at least to some extent, convincing others will be even more difficult.

625)Hence result is in front of our eyes. That is - in almost all Gita books, the translation and interpretation have become wrong which is already put above.
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# Post No. 139)False Gita gave room for APPEASEMENT POLITICS in India that led to the formation of laws against Hinduism as well as the country as well:-

626) As mentioned in Post No. 125 - viewtopic.php?p=57595&hilit=polytheism& ... 85d#p57595, false Gita accelerated polytheism in Hinduism, and due to many Gods, and human Gurus, Hindus got divided. This division made Hindus weak.
Even Hindu leaders could not unite Hindus due to the lack of foundation (incorporeal God Father) and had to do appeasement to bring Hindu-Muslim unity for the freedom struggle against British colonial rule.

627)Many countries have laws to protect minorities. In India as well, such laws to protect minorities (by religion, language, culture, etc.) have been formed from the Independence.

--These laws are actually for protecting minorities. Actually, Minority term is applicable for those whose population is a small fraction of the total population, say within around 3%.
--But, in India, the strange laws got formed in appeasing the minorities which will be explained shortly.

628)But due to division in Hinduism, these minority protection laws got misused. And as days passed, the draconian law - Waqf Act 1995 came into existence in 1995 in India. We will discuss a little bit here step by step.

629)The division in Hinduism gave room for appeasement politics in India.
This appeasement politics had started before Independence by Mr. Mahatma Gandhiji as well as after Independence by the Prime Minister Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

630)One example is - in 1921 - "Malabar/Mapilla/Moplah Rebellion" in Kerala State of India - how the goal of the rebellion which actually was against the invader British people- but later got turned into genocide and forcible conversion of Hindus - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion

Another example is - "Direct Action Day in Bengal- 16th August 1946"- Here also Mahatma Gandhiji had to follow appeasement to maintain peace and unity between Hindus and Muslims. - One can do google search and find out.

Few more website links are given below.

https://pragyata.com/origin-of-Muslim-a ... rebellion/

https://www.mkgandhi.org/faq/q4.php

https://haindavakeralam.com/gandhis-mus ... nt-hk12504

631)After Independence-

https://itht.quora.com/https-www-quora- ... akesh-2263
First appeasement of independent India!!

In 1947, Jawaharlal Nehru hosted an Iftar party for Maulana Abul Kalam, his cabinet colleague Education Minister. Dr. Ambedkar and President Dr. Rajendra Prasad are also seen in the picture. There are many other ministers, including VK Krishna Menon.

But you will not see Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel in this picture because he had opposed this government Iftar party by saying that when we did not give any party to Hindus on Holi and Diwali a few months back, then starting this wrong tradition is a bad and dangerous thing for the country.

This appeasement of Nehru was stopped by Lal Bahadur Shastri but again started by Indira Gandhi. After that it continued unabated, then Narendra Modi stopped this appeasement.
632) Few more links -

https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/i ... peasement/

https://organiser.org/2024/11/14/265276 ... -security/

633)Just imagine- If Hindus had touch with the foundation - that is Incorporeal God Father, Hindus would not have divided to such an extent, there would have been no need of appeasement politics, as well as other religions would not have developed so much hatredness for Hindus as Kafirs, etc., is it not?

Due to Hindus not having right/enough touch with incorporeal God Father, they are seen as biggest sinners in the eyes of Islam or many Muslims- because SHIRK (IDOLATRY) is the highest sin in Islam- higher than even than rape, murder, genocide, etc.

https://www.opindia.com/news-updates/ac ... ire-quran/
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# Post No. 140)EFFECT OF FALSE Gita AND NEED OF IT'S CORRECTION- STRESSED ONCE AGAIN:-

CONTINUATION from LAST POST

634)So- if a Hindu or any idol worshipper may be very good by humanity, character, etc., but if he is an idol worshipper, then all his good deeds will have no value and he will be the biggest sinner in the eyes of Islam.
Hence whenever such Islamic extremists get opportunity, they will cause atrocities on Kafirs thinking/assuming that they are doing a great work as God's order! They have been .

635)If we see the hierarchy of intolerance in Islam.

---Hindus, Buddhist Taoists and Animists are on the lowest rung and are the worst of sinners - there is no sin worse than idolatry in Islam.
---Second level is Christianity - just one rung above Hinduism because of the trinity - so it is considered to be “Idolatry-Lite”.
---Then on the next highest rung is Judaism - closest to Islam (and in fact the prototype for Islam) but also intolerable.

In fact, Jews are also highly intolerable by Islam. If we see Quran - it says
Quran 5:51 = "O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other.1 Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people."
https://quran.com/al-maidah/51-69
“Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’”
(Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177; see also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:176; Sahih Muslim 41:6985)[1] https://christianconcern.com/resource/a ... raditions/
636)So- even though Jews do not follow SHIRK/IDOLARTY, still they are not accepted in Quran/Muslims (Even though as per Islam - "God/Allah may pardon all sins except Idolatry")

637)So- where does the basic problem lie?
Don't you think basic problem lies in Gita (in an INDIRECT way)?
No doubt- each religion is also a cause for the fight among them. But, if Gita had been correct from the beginning, other religions could have had a mirror to correct/check themselves, is it not?


638)If Gita Sermonizer had been realized as Incorporeal Father, then all other religions too would have accepted KARMA PHILOSOPHY (good deeds, non-violence, character, sacrifice of vices, etc.) too, is it not?
---It is already explained how Gita is Father and Mother of all Scriptures in Post No. 71 - viewtopic.php?p=55416&sid=e2b0f8c025ede ... 90a#p55416

639)But- when Gita became false, even the GOOD/BEST teachings lost their values in front of the world. Not only that- even the Abrahamic Religions having common faith could not accept one another. Even though Jews do not follow Shirk, many Islamic Nations fail to accept them.

640)If Gita Sermonizer had been shown as Incorporeal God Father, the war depicted in Gita had been realized as internal war, the 16108 Gopikas are spiritual/soul brides of incorporeal Supreme Soul Father (explained in Post No. 01), purity of Gita would been INTACT. If this purity had been maintained, majority of the world religion and population would have accepted the truth. And people would not have become atheists as what is happening today. Due to the wrong doings in the name of religion, a great population has turned into atheists.

641)Hence it is almost visible that- Correcting Gita will help to bring down corruption, violence and intolerance due to irreligiousness to a great/considerable level, is it not? Readers are free to decide according to their analysis and judgement.
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# Post No. 141)FALSE Gita GAVE ROOM TO OTHER RELIGIONS TO DEFEND THEIR VIOLENCE and CRIMES:-
642)Now- let us think the effect of False Gita on the formation of other religious scriptures. (this issue has already been said earlier, but explained in more detail here).

a)False Gita allowed/certified physical violence/war against (of course) only on adharmis/wrongdoers. But, other religions went ahead and certified murdering, killing, looting, and raping, forced conversion on/of all the non-believers of their religion.

b)False Gita (or Mahabharat scripture) also allowed/justified physical war on the neighboring Kingdoms to attain Supremacy and expansion of their Kingdom. Other religions went ahead and certified all the above and imposing tax like Jizya on non-believers, and making them sex slaves, etc.

c)Gita Sermonizer got portrayed as a physical groom (deity Sri Krishna) for 16108 ladies and gave Gita teachings to motivate a person say- Arjuna for physical war. Then how can spiritual (character upliftment and divine) teachings said in Gita be effective?
(Gita preachers may say- Sri Krishna's relation with gopi ladies had been spiritual, etc. but they fail to explain/defend due to not having spiritual/incorporeal connection).

643)Due to False Gita, physical methods/remedies/activities/rituals/war got portrayed as main/primary methods to establish dharma more than the spiritual/inner effort.
Perhaps this might have given easy room to other religions too justified physical atrocities on non-believers if they help in promoting/development of their religion.


643)Many critics may be- politicians or defenders/scholars of other religions show war shown in Gita to defend violence said in other scriptures- Eg- Jihad and Crusades. Even many Hindus criticize Gita.

https://www.aninews.in/topic/jihadjihad-and-Gita/

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 040639.ece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMwyHLW8C0Y

https://www.reddit.com/r/zizek/comments ... _the_most/

644)Hence as already said- the titles - NON-VIOLENCE, KNOWLEDGE, BLISS, etc. got hijacked by (shifted to) Buddhism more than Hinduism (even though practically, Buddhist dominated countries do more violence than India/Hindus).
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Post No. 142)HINDUISM BECAME EASY PREY to OTHERS:-

645)False Gita placed physical activities of Dharma at a higher place than internal practice, and gave room to unnecessary rituals/blindfaiths in Hinduism. All the Hindus could not accept Gita and got divided, each community preferring its own deities at top, which led to giving higher place to polytheism than real incorporeal God, divided the community and made country weak. Invaders exploited this easily and ruled India nearly for four centuries (Two by Mughals and two by British). This is already discussed. Now- we will discuss the effects - after Independence.

646)Language war is going on in India since Independence. Even though the differences/conflicts are small, instead of trying to resolve the conflicts, many leaders are increasing the conflict. Knowingly or unknowingly their actions keeps national progress lower than state's interests.
---Due to division caused by False Gita, citizens also fail to realize and oppose the languages of each other states.
---It is foolishness and highly unfortunate that- Indian states are ready to adopt foreign language English, but not ready to accept each other state's language- even when majority of these states worship same Sri Sri Shiva, Sri Krishna, Sri Ram, etc.
----See the difficulty in making them understand/respect each other's language due to divisions caused by false Gita.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU_PTZayXQY

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 596851.cms

Post No. 143)UNNECESSARY HATREDNESS TOWARDS HINDUISM:-

Post No. 144)INTELLECTS OF ALMOST ALL BECAME INVERTED DUE TO FALSE Gita:-

647)Since Hinduism is the most tolerant/nonviolent among the major religions in the world, it gave others further room to criticize it. For example-
https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/ ... 06807.html

Sanatana dharma is like malaria and dengue..,' Udhayanidhi Stalin's remark sparks huge outcry....
https://www.indiatoday.in/India/story ... 2023-09-02
Sanatana dharma like malaria, dengue...': MK Stalin's son Udhayanidhi sparks row
Udhayanidhi Stalin, the son of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister MK Stalin, triggered a row when he linked Sanatana dharma with "malaria" and "dengue" while calling for its eradication.
648)Many Political Leaders have neither shy nor fear in criticizing the oldest and even today's highest tolerant religion which had a great civilization and contributed a lot to the whole world. But, they have no courage to criticize wrong things in other religions. Intellects of such leaders have become almost inverted.

649)If one concept of Incorporeal God Father had been given the highest importance in Hinduism, neither Hindus could be easily divided, not others would have developed such great hatredness and courage to criticize/attack it, is it not?

650)So- intellects of all became inverted. When Gita believers gave higher preference to physical aspects than the internal practice, spiritual places like temples became just places of visiting places like aiming to have just DARSHAN instead of spiritual practice.
---Even though more mistakes/crimes are committed by other religions and countries, Hinduism and Bharath/India are being targeted by Leaders/Activists of other countries and religions. In this way they all act as if INVERTED INTELLECTS knowingly or unknowingly. More on inverted intellects will be put later.
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Post No. 145)MANY RULERS TOO VIOLATED TEACHINGS OF THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES:-

651)According to Quran, building mosques by destroying on non-Islamic religious places is not right.
here - https://www.newageislam.com/islamic-q-a ... s/d/118515

"By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi, New Age Islam
06 May 2019

Islam does not allow destruction of places of worship, but rather it guarantees the protection of churches, temples and other houses of worship belonging to non-Muslims both within and outside Islamic lands. The beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) granted a constitutional status this protection through his commands, contracts, agreements and accords. The religious rights and freedoms granted by the Prophet to the people of Najran are notable and a solid proof in this regard."

https://dawahinstitute.org/brave-tan/sh ... f-worship/

652)But, history says- lots of Hindu temples, Churches, etc. have been converted into mosques. One can do google search. Few examples are given below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversio ... to_mosques

https://aboutislam.net/reading-Islam/re ... o-mosques/

https://voiceofindia.me/2024/12/06/musl ... n-bharati/

653)So- we can see even though the original teachings in Quran says to protect/respect places of worship of other religions, they not only failed in doing this, but went against it. Is this not an example of inverted intellect - directly or indirectly at least?

654)Bible says- "Love your neighbour as you love yourself"-
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

https://biblehub.com/mark/12-31.htm

Even though Bible says so, Christian dominated powers like British, French, Portuguese, Dutch, etc. colonized other countries, looted them and committed atrocities for centuries.

655)Not only these Political Powers, mostly Christian Missionaries themselves directly committed such great atrocities and crimes. Eg- Goa Inquisition - https://www.goainquisition.info/2020/05 ... ition.html


656)Even in India, Kings were fighting among themselves- of course that was much less when compared to Islamic or Christianity. In India, the fight between the Kings were limited usually just to the soldiers. But, other religions committed atrocities, did forcible conversion of other common citizens, going against their own scriptures.

657)When Hindus failed to realize non-violence (sacrifice of all vices- lust, anger, greed, etc.) and real incorporeal God mentioned in their own scripture, to what extent can we expect other religions to follow/realize their scriptures?

In one way, this is inverted intellect, going against their own scriptures (failure to realize one's own scripture), is it not?


658)Just think- had reality of Gita were known to the world, it would have played as a mirror to all other religions at least to some extent, is it not?
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Post No. 146)"LAND ACQUISITION ACT: INTRODUCED IN 1894- THAT FAVOURED CHURCH and CONVERSION- STILL HAS EFFECT AFTER INDEPENDENCE:-

659)IN 1894, the British Raj introduced "land Acquisition Act" for the purpose of Companies and Public, (but it gave huge part for the Catholic Churches).
The intention here is not to talk against Churches - but against unlawful things and forced conversion. See- in the name of the "Public and companies"- the British Raj gave a great area of land to the Catholic Churches in almost every major city in India for lease for 99 years.
You will understand the issue when the whole post is read.
660) https://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/pak65320.pdf

An Act to amend the law for the acquisition of land
for public purposes and for Companies.
WHEREAS it is expedient to amend the law for the acquisition of land needed for public
purposes and for Companies and for determining the amount of compensation to be made on
account of such acquisition;
It is hereby enacted as follows:-...
PART
https://megrevenuedm.gov.in/acts/land-a ... t-1894.pdf

https://revenue.tripura.gov.in/sites/de ... t_1894.pdf

https://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/pak65320.pdf
661) https://www.facebook.com/bhagwaism/post ... 567693672/

In 1894, Britishers leased huge parcel of land in the heart of almost every major city to Christian Churches on 99 year lease. (Land Acquisition Act, 1894).
All those leases have already expired in 1993. Many of them come under Illegal Sale and Occupation Act.
Technically those lands belong to Govt of India now.

SC (Supreme Court) is silent
People are silent
Government is silent.

Also,

The Loyola College building itself was in fact an encroachment in a Lake. Despite it has exceeded the lease contract, neither it pays to the Indian govt nor it surrendered the land. It's a house for conversion and spew venom over Hinduism in all occasions.
662)The point is - even after the 99 years lease agreement is over, the Indian people, Supreme Court and the Govt has not exhibited courage to take over the land back.
---See how weak India has become. After 99 years, that is - after 1993, these lands should belong to Govt. of India.
---But, even though the laws are NOW(after 1993) favouring the Govt, no courage is exhibited by it to enforce the law. This is also known as- "LARGEST LAND SCAM in India"- that too by the Church.

663)First of all, giving land to for lease for 99 years to Church- this itself shows a bias of the East India Company or British Raj- not only political, but also religious motive. OK, let us ignore this as it is past, before Independence, that era was not civilized and modern, blah blah blah.

664)But, at least after Independence, when British Authorities left India, their rules/agreements favouring one sided should have got cancelled and all the lands should have taken back by the new Govt, is it not?

665)OK- forget even that. At least after the agreement period was over, the Churches should have returned these lands to the Govt. is it not? (if they truly follow truth).
But- unfortunate point is- neither the Churches have returned, nor Indian Govt/Court/People have raised voice to follow the law.


666)Just think - how weak the Indian Govt/Court/People have become. Don't you think False Gita have made Indians so weak, they fail to raise voice for their own property/rights, is it not?

667)As already said- due to rise of many Gods in Hinduism, human Gurus took control over the devotees in Hinduism.
---In India, the devotees do not question the statement of their Gurus. Most of the times, they give more respect to their human Gurus and they also praise them as - "SATH_VACHAN MAHARAJ".
---In other words, the devotees give more respect to their human Gurus than God/scriptures.
---That is- the devotees ignore (give lesser value to) the teachings of Gita/scripture over the statement of their Gurus. Similarly, if we see in India, the common Hindu citizens also ignore (give lesser value to) the laws and listen to (get influenced by) the statement of the political leaders.

668)So- the weakness of the Hindu devotees in front of their human Gurus as well as the Hindu citizens in front of the political leaders and Courts - are almost same, is it not?
In democracy, even the political leaders as well as the judges of the court are first citizens only, then leaders/judges, is it not? So- even though a Hindu leader or Judge sitting in the seat of Prime Minister or President, or Chief Justice of Supreme Court did not have courage to address this for past so many decades due to the Appeasement Politics as well.


668)So- I think- the energy drained in the devotees due to False Gita have made most of the Hindus so weak - they fail to raise voice for justice and their rights.
And- other religious people even if they are in minority, have no hesitation to commit larger/largest crimes/frauds/scams in this country, is it not.
And- due to Appeasement Politics laws favouring religious minorities got introduced in India which gave them additional powers and that increased the crimes/atrocities committed by them on the tolerant Hindu citizens in the country. More on this will be addressed later.

669)No doubt, when Hindus became weak, even the Hindu political leaders or the human Gurus also have committed crimes and atrocities on the citizens, but most of such crimes and atrocities were mostly on Hindu citizens only. This made country even weak. Because those who are safe (harmless citizens to the country) got attacked from both sides.
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Post No. 147)Indian CHURCH ACT - 1927 :-
670)The "1927- Indian CHURCH ACT" introduced by the British also permitted transfer of huge land to Church in India. It also gave power to the Church to manage itself even to frame laws.- here -

https://www.google.com/search?q=1927+in ... s-wiz-serp

"Yes, the Indian Churches Act of 1927 played a significant role in facilitating land grants to the Church in India, particularly the Catholic Church, during the British Raj. The act enabled the Church to acquire substantial landholdings across the country, which were then used for various purposes, including establishing religious institutions, schools, and hospitals.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Historical Context:
During British rule, the Catholic Church acquired much of its land through land grants made by the British administration.

The Indian Churches Act of 1927:
This act specifically facilitated the transfer of land to the Church.
Purpose of Land Grants:
The acquired land was used to establish missionary institutions, schools, religious centers, and other related activities.

Controversy and Debate:
While the Church acquired a large amount of land, the legitimacy of some of these acquisitions has been questioned, particularly regarding land acquired on lease during the colonial period. Some argue that the Church exerted undue influence during land acquisition, as stated by News18.
671) https://www.news18.com/business/after-g ... 73512.html

....The significant acquisition of land by the Catholic Church of India can be attributed mainly to the Indian Churches Act of 1927, which was implemented during the British dominion. Under this act, the British dominion leased the lands acquired through their conquests in various wars at discounted rates to aid in the propagation of Christianity among the populace. This enabled the Church to acquire land across India and establish numerous institutions, including religious ones, as mentioned earlier, to disseminate their message to the masses. However, the legal status of this land acquisition remains a topic of debate.
672)
https://www.google.com/search?q=Indian+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

The Indian Church Act, 1927 did not grant 99-year leases to churches directly. Instead, it facilitated the transfer of property, including land, from the Crown to the Indian Church Trustees for the benefit of the Indian Church. The Act also authorized the Indian Church Trustees to acquire property, including land, through leases or other means.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Purpose of the Act:
The primary purpose of the Act was to dissolve the legal union between the Church of England and the Church of England in India.

Property Transfer:
The Act provided for the transfer of church properties, including land, from the Crown to the Indian Church Trustees.

Indian Church Trustees:
The Act established the Indian Church Trustees to hold and manage the properties of the Indian Church.

Acquisition of Property:
The Indian Church Trustees were authorized to acquire additional properties, including land, through various means, such as leases.

Leases:
While the Act itself didn't mandate 99-year leases, it did allow for the acquisition of land through leases, which could have included leases of varying durations.
Important Note: The Indian Church Act, 1927, was repealed in 1960.
673)So- when the Church is given free land or at cheap rates, they can influence Indians and give services for cheaper rates, and promote its religion as well. It supported/supports in Conversion activities of Missionaries too.

674)I have not gone to the above two laws in detail. Those who are interested can do google search and get more idea and can put here as well.
---Even in this act also- mostly no land has not been taken back by the Govt after Independence in 1947. Not sure how much land got transferred to Church by this land directly or by lease, etc. Whether here also, the land was given for lease for 99 years or totally free (mostly seems to be for lease here also). If that is true, in this case will be 1927+99 = 2026, which is fast approaching.
---Even if the land had been given for free by the British Raj in 1927, that rule SHOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE after the British left India in 1947.
---Some may argue - India got announced as SECULAR COUNTRY after Independence, hence Church has right to keep the land for itself after 1947. But, the argument does not fit. SECULAR does not mean one can become owner for the land given to it in a biased manner. SECULAR means one has all the rights to earn by right way, is it not?
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675)If we see- the size of campus of the Christian based/named hospitals, schools, hospitals, etc.- is HUGE when compared to hospitals, schools from other owners and trusts, is it not?
This almost implies- the Churches have got these lands for free or cheap rates. [Kindly do a fact check regarding this matter before accepting this.]
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Post No. 150)"WAQF BILL - 1995" and "The Wakf (Amendment) Act, 2013"
- THE DRACONION LAWs:-


685)In 1995, the Appeasement Congress Govt brought "Waqf Bill 1995" that gave the Waqf Board to claim its right over any property if the Board feels/believes the property belongs to it.
----The dispute can be questioned only in Waqf Tribunal (where only Muslim members had been the judges), not in any Civil Court. And, the decision of the WAQF TRIBUNAL will be final.
---Moreover, in any encroachment cases, the real owner had as 12 years time to question in any Civil Court and he can also appeal in higher courts. But, here if Waqf Board encroaches/claims a person's property, the time limit is only one year and that too the decision of the Waqf Board is final!

686)https://indiankanoon.org/doc/631210/
7. Power of Tribunal to determine disputes regarding auqaf.—
(1)
If, after the commencement of this Act, any question or dispute arises, whether a particular property specified as waqf property in a list of auqaf is waqf property or not, or whether a waqf specified in such list is a Shia waqf or a Sunni waqf, the Board or the mutawalli of the waqf, or any person aggrieved by the publication of the list of auqaf under section 5 therein, may apply to the Tribunal having jurisdiction in relation to such property, for the decision of the question and the decision of the Tribunal thereon shall be final:
Provided that—
(a)
in the case of the list of auqaf relating to any part of the State and published after the commencement of this Act no such application shall be entertained after the expiry of one year from the date of publication of the list of auqaf; and
(b)
in the case of the list of auqaf relating to any part of the State and published at any time within a period of one year immediately preceding the commencement of this Act, such an application may be entertained by Tribunal within the period of one year from such commencement:
Provided further that where any such question has been heard and finally decided by a civil court in a suit instituted before such commencement, the Tribunal shall not re-open such question.
(2)
Except where the Tribunal has no jurisdiction by reason of the provisions of sub-section (5), no proceeding under this section in respect of any waqf shall be stayed by any court, tribunal or other authority by reason only of the pendency of any suit, application or appeal or other proceeding arising out of any such suit, application, appeal or other proceeding.
(3)
The Chief Executive Officer shall not be made a party to any application under sub-section (1).
(4)
The list of auqaf and where any such list is modified in pursuance of a decision of the Tribunal under sub-section (1), the list as so modified, shall be final.
(5)
The Tribunal shall not have jurisdiction to determine any matter which is the subject-matter of any suit or proceeding instituted or commenced in a civil court under sub-section (1) of section 6, before the commencement of the Act or which is the subject-matter of any appeal from the decree passed before such commencement in any such suit or proceeding or of any application for revision or review arising out of such suit, proceeding or appeal, as the case may be.
(6)
The Tribunal shall have the powers of assessment of damages by unauthorised occupation of waqf property and to penalise such unauthorised occupants for their illegal occupation of the waqf property and to recover the damages as arrears of land revenue through the Collector:
Provided that whosoever, being a public servant, fails in his lawful duty to prevent or remove an encroachment, shall on conviction be punishable with fine which may extend to fifteen thousand rupees for each such offence.
8. State Government to bear cost of survey.—
The total cost of making a survey including the cost of publication of the list or lists of auqaf under this Chapter shall be borne by the State Government.
687)https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blo ... of-Hindus/

Waqf Act was first passed by Parliament in 1954. Subsequently it was repealed and a new Waqf Act was passed in 1995 which gave more powers to Waqf Boards. In 2013, this Act was further amended to give unlimited powers to Waqf Boards to snatch anyone’s property, which even could not be challenged in any court of law. In March 2014, just before the commencement of Lok Sabha Elections, the Congress gifted 123 prime properties in Delhi to Delhi Waqf Board by using this law. Due to this black law, thousands of acres of land of Hindus have been snatched away in the country so far. Recently Tamil Nadu waqf Board has declared 6 Villages of Tamil Nadu, including a 1500 years old Hindu Temple as Waqf property.

Simply put, the Waqf Board has unlimited powers to claim properties in the name of Muslim charity. But to understand how it got this right, we have to turn the pages of history.

In fact, the Hindus who came to India after partition from Pakistan, their properties in Pakistan were occupied by the Muslims and the Government of Pakistan. But the Government of India gave the land of Muslims who went from India to Pakistan to the Waqf Boards. After which the Waqf Board Act was made in the year 1954. But in the year 1995, by changing the Waqf Board Act, the Waqf Boards were given unlimited rights to acquire land. After which the property of the Waqf Board increased.

According to the data of Waqf Management System of India, at present there are a total 8,54,509 properties with Waqf Boards which are spread over more than eight lakh acres of land. You will be surprised to know that after the Army and Railways, most of the land is with the Waqf Boards.

In the year 2009, the properties of the Waqf Board were spread over four lakh acres of land. Which has now more than doubled. Whereas the land in the country is the same as it was before. So, how is the Waqf Board’s land increasing? Wherever the Waqf Board gets the boundary wall of the cemetery done in the country, it considers the land around it as its property. Similarly, illegal shrines and mosques are gradually declared by the Waqf Board as their property. In simple language, people call this encroachment and the Waqf Board has got the right to this encroachment.

Section 3 of the Waqf Act, 1995 states that if the Waqf “thinks” that the land belongs to a Muslim, then it is the property of the Waqf. It should be noted here that just “thinking of Waqf” is enough, Waqf Board does not need any proof for this. If Waqf accepts that your property is not yours but Waqf Board’s, then you cannot even go to court. You can approach the Waqf Tribunal Court.

Section 85 of the Waqf Act states that if you cannot satisfy the Waqf Board Tribunal that it is your own land, then you will be ordered to vacate the land. The decision of the Tribunal will be final. No court, not even the Supreme Court, can change the decision of the Waqf Tribunal.

Section 40 of the Waqf Act states that when the Waqf Board lays a claim on the land of a person, it is not the responsibility of the Waqf Board to prove the claim on the land, but the real owner of the land has to prove the ownership of his land.

That is, if the Waqf Board claims any land, then understand that the Waqf Board has become the owner of the land.


How a religious law like the Waqf Act has been made applicable in a secular country like India? The question is why is there no such act for Hindus, Christians and Sikhs? Why only for Muslims? See the irony that in the year 1991 the Places of Worship Act was made which says that the religious places which existed at the time of independence of the country will be retained as it is. At the same time, in 1995, the Waqf Act comes into force, which gives the right to the Waqf Board across the country to claim its rights on any property and the aggrieved party cannot even appeal in any court of the country against this.

It is strange to hear that such an act exists in a secular country, whereas there is no such act in any Muslim country. Muslim countries like Turkey, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq have neither a Waqf Board nor a Waqf Law. There should be no place for Waqf Act in India also. The government should repeal the Waqf Act as the same is clearly unconstitutional.
688)In 2013, the same Govt gave extra power to the Waqf Board.
The concept was legally recognized through court rulings and was incorporated into the Waqf (Amendment) Act 2013, passed during the Congress-led UPA. The provision allowed properties to be recognized as Waqf without documentary proof to substantiate the claim, based on usage by the community and its acceptance as such.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/India-ne ... 61508.html[/url]

689)Just think- Even if Hindus (and Sikhs, Jain, Buddhist, etc.) can prove that a mosque had been a temple before or had been constructed on a temple premises before, they cannot claim it- Due to the "Places of Worship Act- 1991".
But, even if Waqf Board cannot prove about a land belongs to it, it can claim and take over that property!


See the double standard. So- Indian Constitution laws have been clearly violated here.

690)Note that - No Waqf Board in any Muslim Country has so much power as given by the Appeasement/Congress Govt.

691)Recently in 2025, the extra unconstitutional powers that were given to the Waqf Board were removed by the BJP Govt by bringing Waqf Amendment Bill -2025.
But, there were huge protests and even the Supreme Court had questioned the Govt. whether the laws are constitutionally against Muslims. But, the same Court was silent when the draconian laws were formed!

692)Mostly neither the Supreme Court, nor the people had questioned/protested when these laws came in 1991, 1995 and 2013. Hindus had been sleeping throughout the period. They either had been sleeping or might have thought it as waste to question/ask for justice in front of the Appeasement Govt.
---Does not this imply- Hindus were divided and have become weak even to question the crimes/harms and unrighteous acts committed on them, and false Gita also has a role in it?

[Kindly do google search or any similar to get more data as well as fact check about this matter.]
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Post No. 151)THE SAME BIASED LAWS CONTINUED EVEN AFTER INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITISH EVEN IN A Hindu MAJORITY COUNTRY!:-

Post No. 152)TEMPLES ARE CONTROLLED BY GOVERNMENT, BUT NOT CHURCHES OR MOSQUES IN A SECULAR COUNTRY!:-

695)British put regulation and took control over the Hindu temples, but not on Church and Masjids. The same laws continued even after Independence from British. Few data are given below. For more details, kindly do web/google search.
696)https://stophindudvesha.org/state-contr ... in%201827.

While the roots of this discriminatory practice go back more than 200 years into India’s colonial history, the real irony is that it continues to survive after nearly eight decades of India’s freedom from colonial rule.

When the British first entered India, temples served as vital centers of cohesion for the Hindu community. To further their colonization agenda and support Christian missionary efforts, the British deemed it necessary to dismantle the Hindu temple ecosystem. Thus, the Madras Regulation VII was passed in 1817 to take over the administration of temples in South India. Similar regulations were also enacted in other parts of India, such as Regulation XIX in Bengal in 1810 and a comparable regulation in Bombay in 1827.

However, the British involvement in the administration of Hindu temples became controversial for their colonial Empire in India. The ruling establishment in England believed that managing “heathen” institutions contradicted the tenets of Christianity. Consequently, they ordered the colonial government in India to withdraw from the administration of Hindu religious institutions.[6] In February 1833, the British administration issued a directive to withdraw its involvement in Hindu institutions, gradually handing over the management to trustees and Muths for prominent temples by 1945. The Religious Endowments Act of 1863 further facilitated this process by transferring the administration of Hindu temples from the British government to trustees.[7] Suddenly, hundreds of temples in the Madras Presidency became free to manage their affairs with little or no interference from the government.

This reprieve proved to be short-lived. Soon enough, the British Empire’s rapacious greed resurfaced, and the Madras Religious and Charitable Endowments Act of 1925 was enacted, bringing Hindu temples under state control once again.

Importantly, this Act applied to not only Hindu temples but all religious institutions, including churches and mosques, drawing widespread protests from the Christian and Muslim communities. However, since the British government did not hear significant protests from Hindus, they simply redrafted it as the ‘Madras Hindu Religious and Endowment Act of 1927′ and made it applicable to Hindus only.

The 1927 regulation was the decisive step in setting the precedence for normalizing state-sanctioned discrimination against Hindus while letting the other religious communities manage their religious institutions. The anti-Hindu policy was made even more poignant by the enactment of the Sikh Gurudwara Act in 1925, which transferred the control of all Gurudwaras to an independent Sikh body. [8] This was the first time in the nearly 400-year history of these two communities that a state-sponsored distinction was imposed upon their respective places of worship.

The bottom line is that by 1927, the British Raj had implemented a series of blatantly discriminatory regulations that imposed strict state control on Hindu religious institutions while excluding other religions like Islam, Christianity, and Sikhism from such control.

Post-Independence Period
In 1947, India finally bade good riddance to the British Raj, and a new government composed of its native citizens took its place. However, if Hindus had thought the newly formed government would go out of its way to undo the discriminatory policies of the colonizers, they were soon to be disillusioned. The newly formed government did go out of its way – not to remove the anti-Hindu policies of the colonial era, but to perpetuate and normalize them. The politics of appeasement had officially arrived in the post-independence India!

Within four years of India’s independence, the Madras Government enacted the Madras Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Act 1951. This Act replaced the Religious Endowment Boards with a government department called the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department, paving the way to bring temples even further within the ambit of state control.[9]

The Department, led by a commissioner and supported by a hierarchy of officials, had the authority to oversee the secular affairs of Hindu temples and Muths. This resulted in dismantling the traditional system of managing temples and introducing a new structure that defined and designated duties, responsibilities, and authority at different levels.[10]

However, the provisions of the 1951 Act were soon challenged in the Madras High Court and, later, in the Supreme Court in the Shirur Mutt case. The latter case revolved around the autonomy and rights of religious institutions, specifically Hindu mutts, in managing their affairs without undue government interference.

The Madras High Court delivered its 1951 landmark judgment in the case, striking down nearly 20 sections of the 1951 Charitable Endowment Act as unconstitutional and in violation of the fundamental rights of Hindus. More importantly, the court found the sections in the Act that allowed the takeover of Hindu temples by issuing notifications as unconstitutional.

The Shirur Mutt judgment set a precedent for protecting religious freedoms in India, as guaranteed by Article 25 of the Indian Constitution. It also explicitly addressed constitutional issues related to religious denominations (Article 26 of the Constitution) and the taxation of religious institutions.[11] However, the Madras government filed an appeal before the Supreme Court and refused to follow the court’s orders to exit from the administration of 50 prominent Hindu temples.

....instead of abiding by the court judgment, the Madras government passed yet another law, the Tamil Nadu Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Act of 1959, reintroducing the sections previously held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.


....It defies logic that an act raised in direct violation of the 1954 Supreme Court ruling continues to stand for more than six decades after its passage.

A Nationwide Issue, Not Just Tamil Nadu
The following figures should give readers a good understanding of the problem’s magnitude. Governments of just ten states control more than 110,000 Hindu temples. The Tamil Nadu Temple Trusts collectively own at least 478,000 acres of temple land. The government of Karnataka controls more than 34,000 temples. The communist State of Kerala has five Dewaswam boards (socio-religious trusts in India) that manage approximately 3,058 temples.[20]
697)So- weakness or degraded state of Hinduism can be clearly seen here.
After Independence, even the rulers (Prime Ministers) who had long tenure in India did not dare to make the policies truly secular. Country became Pseudo- Secular. More such examples will be discussed/given later.
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