Flaws in PBK Philosophy

[sita]

Baba has given such points so that we may discriminate and save ourselves from bad company.

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 523) If PBKs like to label some human soul as 'Maya', which PARTICULAR human soul PBKs would like to label as 'ENEMY', 'SINNER', etc? :-

Baba has given such points so that we may discriminate and save ourselves from bad company.

225) 100% true. There is also a similar Murli point- "sivaaye gyaan ke aur kuch bhee koyi boley, toh samjho vah tumhaarey dushman hai* = If someones speaks anything other than knowledge, consider him/her to be your enemy."

If PBKs like to label some REPRESENTATIVE human soul as Maya, which PARTICULAR human soul, would PBKs like to label as 'ENEMY'?

Now, many children, either BKs or PBKs would be doing lowkik job, and will have to talk lowkik matters extensively.
So- every such BK/PBK would be like belonging to 'Community of Ravan' or 'ENEMY'- right?

Kindly note- just 8 are going to pass with honour. Keeping that in mind, Baba has said such Murli points.

226) Baba has also said- "Baap ko bhoolnaa bhee paap hai = To forget Father is also a SIN."
Now, many forget Father. Actually almost everyone forgets the Father, since everyone is an effort-maker. So-
According to PBKs, which human soul, in PARTICULAR, should be labelled as "SINNER"?

227) So- Baba has said these because there is number-wise status, and the difference between the children is also huge.
Baba has also said- "8 mala ka pahlaa daanaa, aur 16,000 kaa last daaney may raath dinn ka fark hai = There is a difference of DAY and NIGHT between the first jewel of the rosary of 8, and the last jewel of the rosary of 16,000".
Does it mean the former one is pandav, and the latter one is kourav (or say - belonging to community of Ravan)?

Due to the huge difference between the children, Baba has said so.

228) Since/if PBKs like to take the Murli points literally, if the difference between those two jewels is of day and night, WHAT WORDS would PBKs like to use to describe the difference between the top soul and the last soul in the 9 lakhs, as well as the last one in the 7 billion???

* 229) - The point is- if we are going to talk anything (other than gyaan), we need to be in sakshi stage, else it would be spiritual degradation for self as well as for the others.

Even when we speak of knowledge or srimath, whatever it is- until we do the same in swamaan/esteem and sakshi/detached stage, we will be like having ego of knowledge. - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... =25&t=1410
Even though it (ego of knowledge) will not be a degradation while delivering knowledge/srimath, it is STILL a hindrance in the path.

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 524) PBKs inadvertently point fingers to themselves!:-

230) Anyhow- the matter here is- whether what we speak is against srimath, and warning of ShivBaba to save ourselves from evil. Now, let us see to whom these warnings apply.

SM 19-2-85(2):- Baap kahthay hain hum kalp2 Sangamyuge aataa hun aur koyi thode hee kah saktey hain ki hum srushti ke aadi, madhy, anth kaa gyaan sunaane aayaa hun. Apney ko Shivohum kahte hain. Us_sey kyaa huvaa? ShivBaba toh aate hee hain padhaane ke liye. Sahaj rajyog sikhaane ke liye. Koyi bhee saadhu santh aadi ko Shiv Bhagavaan naheen kahaa jaa saktaa. Aisey toh bahut kahte hain hum Krishn hain, hum LN hain. Ab kahaan vah Satyug ka prince, kahaan yah Kaliyugee patit. Aisey thode hee kahenge inmay Bhagavaan hain. Aisey manushyon ke paas jaavo bhee naheen. Tum mandiron may bhee jaakar pooch saktey ho- yah Satyug may raajy karthay thay, phir kahaan gaye?

= ... No saadhu, saint can be called as God Shiv. Many say- I am Krishn, I am LN. Now, where does the prince Krishn of Golden Age stand, where these impure Iron Aged people stand! It cannot be said that God is in them. Do not even go to such people. ...

The above Murli point (warning) applies MOST APPROPRIATELY to AIVV. Head of AIVV indirectly claims and/or implies in his teachings- "I am Krishn, I am Narayan, etc.
The followers, PBKs, openly imply/claim their head is eligible for the titles - Krishn, Narayan, etc., in this present world itself - THUS CARRYING OUT the CLEAR 'SHOOTING' of HiranyaKashyap - YES or NO?

231)So- interestingly PBKs claim one should have discrimination power and save him/herself from bad company, but they are saying it like the story of the parrot sitting on a tap saying- "Do not sit on the tap". - :sad:

232) More warning and predictions about such people who would be speaking against srimath is given here - Post No. 54 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... t=60#p7817

233) In lowkik, when some people speak beyond the limit, some try to educate them and say-
"Hadh hoti hai, yaar" = Dear friend, There is a limit" .
Similarly, dear PBKs, there is limit EVEN in gyaan.
Mr. Dixit crossed the limits, and wishes to give such titles unnecessarily to Godly children, and is CAUGHT in his own trap. As is the bodily Guru, so are their BLIND followers.

It is also said- "If more than the limit, even the elixir will become poison". This applies best to PBKs. They like to act superior to ShivBaba in their so-called extra-ordinary clarifications.

Baba also says- about lowkik scientists/science- "Science kaa kitnaa ghamand hai " = 'how much ego science has'. They have invented bombs, they even fly to moon, etc, etc. But, they will destroy themselves only.
Similarly, the so-called extra-ordinary clarifications of PBKs is like self-destructive. Let us hope some of them open their eyes before the too-late board is put up.
All the very best to the PBKs.

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After SO MANY CLARIFICATIONS on this forum, it should become CLEAR to ALL CONCERNED, that those who are DESTINED to carry out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya, or the 'Night of the Cycle', are NOT going to be INTERESTED or IMPRESSED by/with the Pure UNADULTERATED Versions of God, and would CONTINUE with their INNOCENCE, IGNORANCE & ARROGANCE, UNTIL the APPOINTED HOUR! The process of SELF-DESTRUCTION is ALSO a process of purification, in ANOTHER sense - which would explain why the terrorists are INEXORABLY DRAWN to same, in the outer World, in the NAME of God, for the CAUSE of God, and with a solemn purpose to find their way to Heaven (or Liberation)!

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 525) Another evidence on failure of PBK concept of Mother and Father:-

233) PBKs bifurcated role of corporeal Father(Prajapita) and mother(Brahma), even though countless Murli points say- Brahma = Prajapita.

234) PBKs claim- one should remember Father/Shiva through Father(Dixit), not through Mother(B Baba). But, a Murli point says- you remember Father/Shiv through mother only.

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=52839#p52839 अभी तुम बच्चों को बाप और वर्से को याद करना है। वर्से के लिए माँ के पेट से जन्म ले, फिर बाप को याद करते हैं। जन्म तो लिया परन्तु थ्रू किसके? माँ से जन्म लेते हैं। यह भी ऐसे है - थ्रू माँ के तुम बच्चे बने हो। याद करते हो शिवबाबा को वर्सा लेने के लिए, वाया माँ। परन्तु कोई को निश्चय है, कोई को नहीं है। ऐसे नहीं कि सभी को निश्चय है, माया घुटका दिलाती रहती है। कहाँ न कहाँ फँस पड़ते हैं।

“You Children NOW have to remember the Father and the inheritance. You take birth through your mother's womb, and you remember your father in order to receive your inheritance. You took birth, but through whom? You take birth through a mother. It is the same here. You have become children through the Mother (Brahma). You remember ShivBaba in order to claim your inheritance, via the Mother (Brahma). However, some have faith, whereas others DO NOT. It is NOT that everyone has faith. Maya continues to choke, and you become trapped somewhere or other.”

235) So- the PBk claim- Remembrance of Shiv through Mr. Dixit only is the right method- becomes meaningless, as they claim Mr. Dixit is not the first/main mother.
Moreover, by claiming Brahma's part is incomplete, PBKs have defamed God, Brahma, and themselves only as said earlier -in Post No. 516- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52715&hilit ... ete#p52715

236) By claiming temporary and fixed chariots, PBKs are further defaming themselves.
Are PBKs saying- in drama,
----the Chariot Mother (let them say it for B Baba or KD) incomplete/temporary, and that of the Father/Dixit is complete/fixed?

---If PBKs claim the Chariot mother is also fixed (by claiming it to be for KD and argue erroneously in the way like what they argue for Mr. Dixit), then are PBKs claiming God has two fixed chariots? (Mr. Dixit and KD)?
---Whatever it is- if PBKs claim Mother is KD, then the Murli point claiming remembrance of Father should be done through mother- PBKs should suggest the right method of Yaad is to remember Shiv through KD, not through Mr. Dixit! Or should suggest- Remember Father Shiv through both - Mr. Dixit as well as KD!

237) Of course, some Murli point say- "Remember Father directly as well".
So the right method of remembrance is to remember Father Shiv directly or through the Mother.
If PBKs like to take support of corporeal- all the time (physically as well), then role of mother cannot be avoided, what PBKs tried in their FP (false propaganda).

So- PBKs have fallen into their own trap. - :sad:

[sita]

No, brother, you totally miss some points. Firstly Baba has said that we will receive inheritance through Jagadamba. This is the mother. Jagadamba receives from the Father and children receive from Jagadamba.

We receive birth through the mother's womb in a physical way, but here it is a intellect-like womb. Who is this – Brahma? No, Brahma left. He cannot create children (praja) there in sukshamvatan. Prajapita Brahma is required in this world. Only then will there be brahmins. Prajapita is also Brahma. But about the inheritance it is said through Jagadamba.

The matter of doubt (like said in the Murli point) about the inheritance through Jagadamba – is that some people like you depict PBK Jagadamba as impure. But Baba has certified her as boat of truth, she is the mother in whose intellect like womb the child of Krishna resides like on the pipal leaf in the ocean of poison, sucking his thumb (thinking about the soul). Although this boat may be in the ocean of poison and may rock on the slightest storm of Maya (in the Murli it is said that Brahma goes through maximum birth and deaths – of faith of rocking of Maya), but the boatman is ShivBaba. ShivBaba has taken responsibility about Jagadamba. People become trapped in the fact that Jagadamba has married and has children, Maya chokes them in that and they lose faith. They are unable to see her in her true form of the lotus -living in the mud of household, but having a pure mind above that.

[mbbhat]

238) The point was not about just inheritance*, but also about remembrance. Baba has said- "you remember ShivBaba via MOTHER**".

In BK view- It is like remembering Father Shiv through Mother Brahma Baba.

----Now, PBKs have different options. You may interpret as "remember ShivBaba(Shiv plus Dixt) through MOTHER - as B Baba or KD or Premkanta, sister Vedanti", or whomsoever you may like, and explain the RIGHT METHOD of remembrance - in pbk view.

239) And- also reply to the point asked above- in PBK view- whether KD is also a FIXED Chariot of God, like Mr. Dixit or temporary Chariot or something else?
(more-fully explained to the so-called Gyani tu souls- who usually/indirectly claim they can understand through HINTS!)

* - For BKs, it is immaterial if it is said inheritance is received from Prajapita or Jagadamba, as Baba keeps mothers ahead (and kalash is given to mothers), so even if it is through Mother Prajapita Brahma, it is also through Jagadamba. There are enough Murli points which also say- you receive inheritance through Prajapita as well.

240) Now, PBKs should also explain HOW KD receives inheritance from Mr. Dixit, and how children receive same from KD?
[In BK view- it is simple- the kalash/knowledge first came through mouth of Brahma, then Jagadamba was made nimitt or instrument, and the children number-wise.

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Brahma left. He cannot create children (praja) there in sukshamvatan. Prajapita Brahma is required in this world.

241) Already addressed. Post No. 147, Point No. 05 - Avyakt Murli date 18-01-90 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... evr#p12911

242) PBKs are very fond of saying, 'Brahma is DEAD', (LEFT his corporeal body), which is similar to saying, 'Brahma LEFT', like you are doing here, and assuming that Brahma is FOREVER in Subtle Region, in his subtle body - DOING NOTHING???
AT THE SAME TIME, PBKs also like to say Brahma comes on this corporeal sphere in the corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar to speak the AV, or that Brahma is ALWAYS in corporeal bodies of either Virendra Dev Dixit or KDD - WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING that the RIDER of the corporeal body of an embodied soul HAS TO BE SUPERIOR to the embodied soul into whose corporeal body the RIDER RIDES - EVEN IF THAT RIDER IS A GHOST! But, in this case the RIDER, Brahma, CANNOT be considered to be an ORDINARY GHOST, because he has received Knowledge from Shiva, and is ALWAYS COMBINED with Shiva, AFTER 1969. So, DO PBKs consider Shiva ALSO to be a GHOST??? DO the PBKs NOT HAVE, EVEN THIS MUCH COMMON SENSE to COMPREHEND the above SIMPLEST SPIRITUAL EQUATION? Then what can they UNDERSTAND AT ALL???
If Brahma is OPERATING on this corporeal sphere with his subtle body, ALONG WITH Shiva, (or EVEN by himself), through concerned corporeal bodies, whoever they may be, then where does the question of Brahma creating children in Subtle Region arise??? He would obviously be creating children on this corporeal sphere through other concerned corporeal bodies, is it not? This CLEARLY EXPOSES the RANK STUPIDITY of the PBKs and their bodily guru, Virendra Dev Dixit, is it not???

243) So- when PBKs believe Subtle Region does not exist, and believe B Baba plays role in corporeal world, to whom are they saying this? Is this not a clear double standard, and deception and speaking lies?

244) But, by accusing so, PBKs fall into their own trap.
Murli point also clearly says- "you take birth through mother". So- how do PBKs take birth after 1998?
[For BKs, the knowledge has already come through Brahma baba. So- taking birth through same knowledge implies that they are children through/of Brahma Baba.
---It is PBKs who claim - "there is need of corporeal, ALL the time".
--- So- in PBK view- how children take birth after 1998?

245) Moreover, PBKs SHOULD ALSO EXPLAIN the process of taking birth through their mother KD, even from 1983 to 1998.
How does a PBK PRACTICALLY take birth through KD during that period?
Does first- Mr. Dixit speak knowledge to KD, and then every PBK listens from her? - like they claim the process of "SUN_NAA(listening) and SUNAANAA(narrating)" for 1936 (cooked up) story?

By claiming- "To get spiritual birth, there is need of two corporeal personalities", PBKs inadvertently imply- there is need of two personalities PHYSICALLY in front of every child to take spiritual birth.
So- anyhow- PBKs inadvertently also imply- (in their view) there are TWO FIXED CHARIOTS- is it not?

[sita]

The Murli point you have quoted says that we remember ShivBaba, for to obtain the inheritance via the mother. It is not said that we remember ShivBaba via the mother.

[mbbhat]

The Murli point you have quoted says that we remember ShivBaba, for to obtain the inheritance via the mother. It is not said that we remember ShivBaba via the mother.

246) Murli point says- "याद करते हो शिवबाबा को वर्सा लेने के लिए, वाया माँ। = You remember ShivBaba in order to claim your inheritance, via the Mother"

The Murli point almost implies- for both [to take birth, (or to remember) or to get inheritance], it is via Mother.

247) Anyhow, there is some room for your arguments. You have again bifurcated like Virendra Dev Dixit. That is OK.
So, according to your interpretation, it looks like - "याद करते हो शिवबाबा को, वर्सा लेने के लिए वाया माँ। = You remember ShivBaba (but) in order to claim your inheritance, (it is) via the Mother" - is this what you have made the Murli point to imply- right?
[Explain fully, instead of doing "hit and run." ]

But, still not explained the other related points - how PBKs take birth, and how do they receive their inheritance.

[sita]

PBKs take birth after taking the bhatti. In the outside world a child stays for 9 months in the womb of the mother and here they stay for 9 days in the womb of knowledge and isolated atmosphere. First, one has to leave the world with the intellect, like in the outside world one first dies and only then he takes birth. Then if one has faith that this one is my spiritual Father and this one is my spiritual mother - he has taken a birth of faith.

As regards the mother for the PBKs, she has not changed. Jagadamba is Jagadamba, it does not matter she has married and have children. Jagadamba is mother of the whole world. She becomes mother of the whole world through the Father. Inheritance is the world sovereignty. The mother in the form of nature will test children and give certificate for a high post for some children and low for others.

You have to explain from the BK view the point that we receive inheritance through Jagadamba.

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 526) PBKs speaking lies again and again:-

PBKs take birth after taking the bhatti....

248) Not replied properly. In PBK view- both corporeal Father and mother are necessary. Where is corporeal mother in AIVV from 1998?

As regards the mother for the PBKs, she has not changed. Jagadamba is Jagadamba, it does not matter she has married and have children.

249) Just one of the plain lies. Mother of PBKs has got changed* from Premkanta to KD from 1983.

* 250) - Actually, PBKs have even lesser right to speak about mother than Father*. The usual PBK claim is- "Father puts seed in mother and takes leave". They use this lowkik incident of giving birth to explain that Sevakram gave in-charge position to B baba and B Baba had been in charge from 1947 till 1969.
But, PBKs believe the right mother is KD/AB, not B baba. So- he should have given charge to KD, is it not?
Interestingly, in PBK view- in 1947, the other mothers left. Did they just leave or gave charge to B Baba?
So- "in PBK view"- Father first puts seed in one mother(1936), then that mother (puts seed in another mother in 1947?!) gives charge to another mother in 1947. FUNNY LOGIC INDEED!

From 1969 till 1976, there had been neither mother nor Father (in PBK view).
From somewhere after 1976 (say around 1980- approximately), Premkanta comes and takes position of mother.
Then in 1983, the position of mother goes to KD (when she/Premkanta fails)!

And- still PBKs claim - their mother had not been changed! is not this a plain lie?

* 251) Actually, PBKs should call the Mother (Adi Brahma) as title Holder Prajapita, is it not? Since, in their view- the in-charges of Yagya from 1942 till 1947, it was PBK KD (Adi Brahma) who had been in-charge of Yagya, then she should be given that title. BUT WHY PBKs DO NOT GIVE THAT TITLE TO HER?

Jagadamba is mother of the whole world. She becomes mother of the whole world through the Father. Inheritance is the world sovereignty. The mother in the form of nature(?!) will test children and give certificate for a high post for some children and low for others.

252) Again vague reply. Is it KD who will test or nature? The question was how does PBK Jagadamba KD receive inheritance from Dixit, and how she gives to others.
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You have to explain from the BK view the point that we receive inheritance through Jagadamba.

253) Already explained. It is through knowledge children receive property. The vessel/origin knowledge comes first from ShivBaba, then next the vessel is Big mother B Baba. But, practically the vessel is given to shakti army, the head is smaller Mother Om radhe. The title Jagadamba practically goes to smaller Mother.

If the so-called Gyani tu atmas cannot understand from this explanation, (who claim they have the ability to realize from hints), kindly refer the Murli points below.

Baba also says- "I do not give you happiness(property). I just show you the path. By remembering me, you automatically receive property".

The Chariot cannot move gali2. Hence the one who shows path in physical service is smaller mother and the whole army. That is why Baba has also said- "you all are master Jagadamba".

So- each and every child is also instrument to give property(to show the path) to the whole world.

[sita]

The corporeal mother is still in corporeal. The inheritance we receive is the knowledge and also power of the soul. Jagadamba receives much knowledge, she is deity of speech, in her form of Mahakali she is shown with red tongue out, there will be no one to face her in knowledge. Jagadamba is also deity of study. She also acquires controlling power. With her purity she will rule over the entire world.

Nature is the most powerful creation, and through natural calamities there will be destruction. Without destruction, the new world will not be revealed. In the form of Mahakali Jagadamba will sort the demon-like children and in her form of Mahalakshmi she will sustain the deity-like children.

I did not understand your explanations. But there is no need to explain further.

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 527) PBKs take U turns:-

It is PBKs who usually question BKs- where is B baba after 1969 and how do BKs get birth, etc, etc. But,

The corporeal mother is still in corporeal.

254) So- do PBKs believe - there is no need of the corporeal mother in front of the children to get birth?
Even if children do not see face to face of their jagadamba, still birth is possible? Are such children fit to be called as mukhvamshavalis?
PBKs believe to get birth,- one should attend bhatti. But, in that bhatti, even if there is no Jagadamba, still it is birth?

The inheritance we receive is The Knowledge and also power of the soul. Jagadamba receives much knowledge, she is deity of speech,

255) Where PBK KD has given her speech? And- do PBKs believe they should listen to (get clarifications and directions) from Jagadamba too?
[Usually PBKs claim they listen from none but one - Mr. Dixit.]

... in her form or Mahakali she is shown with red tongue out, there will be no one to face her in knowledge. Jagadamba is also deity of study. She also acquires controlling power. With her purity she will rule over the entire world.

256) I am not asking power of real Jagadamba.
I am asking power and knowledge of PBK Jagadamba KD. Practically she has not got vessel of knowledge. It is Mr. Dixit who moves gali2.
So- if you have proof for - KD giving her own class, clarifications, and directions, kindly put them.

Nature is the most powerful creation, ...

256) Again just silly arguments. I am asking proof from PBk jagadamba, not physical nature.

I did not understand your explanations.

:sad:

[sita]

We get spiritual birth when we realize our spiritual parents. There are many mothers in bondage who are not able to attend bhatti, they have not seen Baba physically, nor listened to the knowledge face to face, still they have faith. Why would we not call them spiritual children. We are souls. If in the soul it sits that this is my spiritual mother and Father then what is the problem if someone is not there in front of us at the moment, we know he is there somewhere. Like Baba gives the example of the mother, she knows her child is in London, she remembers him there. She may not know where exactly he is at the moment, is this an obstacle, she knows his face, character, acts, she has memories with him. Did he stop being her child, because he went to London?

There are recorded classes of Mama and I think even today there are souls who meet her. But knowledge is not just to speak knowledge. Knowledge means to imbibe it. Knowledge is not the aim, knowledge is the means, the aim is remembrance and that is something internal and I cannot give you proof about that. What I know is remembrance is based on experience and Mama has the experience of being with Baba for a long time.

The example of the lotus is about living in mud. This is the world of hell and in this world giving birth takes place through mud. Although someone may live a household life, still if the mind is above the mud we will call that a lotus like pure life.

The power of the soul is the controlling power over the mind and the organs of the body. Baba has explained that as much as we are self-sovereigns now, that much we will be sovereigns in the future and this is our inheritance.

[mbbhat]

# Flaw No. 528) Mr. Dixit changed the seat of Jagadamba in case of Premkanta, but not in case of KD- why?

We get spiritual birth when we realize our spiritual parents....

257) This is the WHOLE point. BKs ALSO get Spiritual Birth when they REAL-EYEs their INCORPOREAL PARENT ('Parlokik' Mother & Father), who is REAL ShivBaba, and their 'CORPOREAL' Parents ('Alokik' Mother & Father), who are Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama, REGARDLESS of WHERE they may be, and REGARDLESS of WHETHER Brahma Baba or Saraswati Mama is within a corporeal body or NOT, AFTER they have LEFT their previous corporeal bodies - BASED on the Pure Knowledge of God, which has been revealed, and which is STILL being revealed, through the corporeal/subtle body of Brahma Baba! ONCE the BKs REAL-EYEs who their 'Alokik' Mother & Father are, THROUGH the Pure Knowledge of God, which has emerged through Brahma Baba, THEIR SPIRITUAL PARENTS CANNOT CHANGE THEREAFTER!
So- there is REALLY no point in PBKs asking and TAUNTING others/BKs, LIKE DOWNRIGHT FOOLS - "Where is Brahma in corporeal after 1969?" IS IT NOT???

But, after 1998, PBKs have fallen into their own trap more deeply, and NOW they are CHANGING their TONE and their VERSION - ONLY TO FALL MORE DEEPER INTO THEIR OWN PIT!

The example of the lotus is about living in mud. ....This is the world of hell and in this world giving birth takes place through mud. Although someone may live a household life, still if the mind is above the mud we will call that a lotus like pure life.

258) Nice justification, as part of juggling exercise of Mr. Dixit. So- why Mr. Dixit does not advise other PBKs(at least few) to follow their great Mother? Or why not few get inspiration and follow her?

259) Now- lotus - mud - this applies to many PBKs as well. Is it only for KD? Many PBK mothers come to AIVV to meet their Chariot. So- what prevents KD from visiting AIVV?- (say at least few days in a year)

260) Interesting thing is- when Premkanta failed, Mr. Dixit gave the seat of Jagadmba to Kamala Devi,
----but, when KD failed in 1998, Mr. Dixit did not give that seat to someone else, or to the current TITLE-HOLDER Jagadamba, Sr M, alias Yogini! Guess why?

The reply is simple. At the time of Premkanta, number of PBKs were very very less. So- Mr. Dixit gave that seat to someone else. Because he had to do that to develop AIVV, SLYLY.
---But, in 1998, when KD left, AIVV had developed to considerable extent. If he had done the same in 1998, it would be a greater humiliation.
---So- PBKs while giving their course, do not mention the Premkanta incident, NOR the incident of Sr V in the very beginning, WHICH THEY ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF, IN THE INTIMATE CONTEXT.

261) So, Mr. Dixit gives example of lowkik world. Even if wife leaves/divorces husband, if the husband does not agree, the court will not grant divorce. But, anyhow, he had acknowledged/said that KD left AIVV due to fear when Mr. Dixit was jailed.
But, PBKs claim - one who is playing the role of fear is playing the role of lotus and also Mahakali!
Great logic of PBKs. They are MOST WELCOME to have it, since they SEEM TO ENJOY FOOLING themselves, and others ALSO, VERY MUCH!!!

262) In AIVV, KD was expected to come back in 2008, but that too failed. Then AIVV had postponed that date to 2018.

[sita]

In AIVV, KD was expected to come back in 2008, but that too failed. Then AIVV had postponed that date to 2018.

Haven't heard about that.

The matter with the spiritual mother and Father is that the parents and the children are of the same form. We are corporeal, our spiritual mother and Father are also in corporeal. Our spiritual mother and Father cannot be subtle and we corporeal, we have to also be subtle, subtle parent will give birth to subtle children. Or just incorporeal. No one can recognize a soul that this soul is my Father if it does not play a part.


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We are ACTUALLY SPIRITUAL, CURRENTLY TRAPPED in corporeal AWARENESS or body-consciousness, making effort to achieve a subtle stage of consciousness, en route to RE-GAINING our Spiritual AWARENESS or soul-consciousness, ONCE AGAIN, as we did a Cycle ago, in Confluence Age. MANY BKs have Re-Cognized, REAL-EYEsed and EXPERIENCED their ‘Parlokik’ PARENT, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, through their ‘Alokik’ Parents, Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama, who have, BOTH, enacted their respective roles through corporeal bodies, on this corporeal sphere, in Confluence Age, owing to which the BKs have CLEARLY Re-Cognized & REAL-EYEsed THEM, as their TRUE ‘Alokik’ Parents – WITHOUT an IOTA of DOUBT, WHATSOEVER! FOR SUCH TRUE BKs, their REAL ‘Alokik’ Parents CAN NEVER CHANGE - REGARDLESS of HOW MANY bodily gurus, like Virendra Dev Dixit, may MANIPULATE, MISINTERPRET, MISREPRESENT & MISAPPROPRIATE the Pure Versions of God in the SMs & AVs!
Initially, the ‘Alokik’ Parents were ALSO in corporeal, when the concerned BKs were in corporeal. When these ‘Alokik’ Parents COMPLETED their designated roles in the corporeal, they are now enacting their roles through subtle body/subtle stage, on this corporeal sphere, as per Drama Plan, to encourage and enable the concerned BKs to ALSO DEVELOP their own subtle stage, en route to FINALLY becoming soul-conscious ONCE AGAIN, in the Cycle.
Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama CANNOT be the ‘Alokik’ Mother & Father of the BLIND PBKs, UNLESS they TOO REAL-EYEs that they have to DEVELOP their own subtle stage of consciousness, to be ABLE to Re-Cognize their TRUE ‘Alokik’ Parents, and READILY INTERACT with them, on a DAY to DAY BASIS, ON A SUBTLE LEVEL; and UNTIL they BREAK AWAY from the VICIOUS GRIP of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, and ALSO as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Prajapita’, etc., etc., etc., by propagating the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, and making THOROUGH IDIOTS out of the BLIND PBKs - ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAM PLAN - NOTHING NEW!