Meaning of Avaykt Bap-Dada.

[arjun]

so are you saying that BapDada means Shiv+Krishna.

I have made it very clear in my post that 'Bap' means 'Shiv+Prajapita' and 'Dada' means 'the soul of Krishna/Dada Lekhraj'. So, how can you say BapDada = Shiv+Krishna?

[shivsena]

I have made it very clear in my post that 'Bap' means 'Shiv+Prajapita' and 'Dada' means 'the soul of Krishna/Dada Lekhraj'. So, how can you say BapDada = Shiv+Krishna?

So Bap means shiv+Ram(prajapita) and Dada means Krishna (elder brother), then who is that personality who is great great grandfather.???
Also how can Ram (karmatit soul) be combined with Krishna(non-karmatit soul) to become BapDada.!!!!
Can you please give your views.

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear indiana and pbk brothers.

According to advance knowledge ''ShivBaba'' means Shiv + Ram(Baba Dixit),
and "Avaykt BapDada" means Ram + Krishna;
So where is shiv in avaykt BapDada and whom do we remember ???

Also avaykt Vanis always say :"BapDada se avaykt milan manao," {meet BapDada in avaykt) and advance knowledge teaches to remember "nirakaar in Sakar"; so which is the right method of rememberence ??

Can you please give your views.
shivsena.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

It is said in Vanis : ''BapDada chahein toh wapas ghar(nirakari duniya) jaa sakte hain, lekin BapDada avaykt vatan mein bacchon ki avaykt stage ke liye ruke hue hain''. [meaning: BapDada is waiting for subtle angelic stage of children in Subtle Region"].

So the query arises: how does one attain subtle angelic stage by remembering ''nirakar in Sakar".......if we have to attain subtle angelic stage, then we first have to identify accurately who is this Subtle Region BapDada and have continous Yaad with that personality and not ''nirakar in Sakar''.

shivsena.

[new knowledge]

I am confused about the perfect method of RajYoga meditation. Is it not contradictory that though the main objective of RajYoga meditation is to be free from all bondages of the corporeal body and to forget bodyconsciousness, some BKWSU cults insist to remember the incorporeal God through the corporeal body of His Chariot?

[shivsena]

Dear brother.
Good logical questioning.

This Godly knowledge has divided the family into 2 organisations : BKWSU and Aivv....both having some common beliefs and some completely different beliefs and the main difference being in the Chariot of Shiva.....BKs claim only Krishna(DL) as Chariot and PBKs claim Ram(VD) as their Chariot and this division is accurate as per drama plan to seperate 9,00,000 from 16108.... For both the Chariot is more important than the yartharth roop of ShivBaba and they feel that Chariot and yartharth roop are one and the same thing....but in fact it is not.....it has been said in Murlis that : "mere yartharth roop ko koto mein koi aur koi mein bhi koi hi jaanta hai"....so those(108) who recognise the yartharth roop will be different from those who recognise only the Chariot (9,00,000 or 16000)...the most experienced 108 king souls will have recognised both the chariots and through experience when they realise that both chariots have not given them salvation, then they will turn their attention to Murlis/Vanis and they will recognise the yartharth roop of ShivBaba as no.1 shivshakti. So remembering Shiva in Chariot is not the right way of rememberence as this has not produced any positive result which is obvious in both families.

shivsena.

[shivachild]

Dear indiana and PBK Brothers.

According to Advanced Knowledge ''ShivBaba'' means Shiv + Ram(Baba Dixit),
and "Avaykt BapDada" means Ram + Krishna;
So where is Shiv in avaykt BapDada and whom do we remember ???

Also avaykt Vanis always say :"BapDada se avaykt milan manao," {meet BapDada in avaykt) and Advanced Knowledge teaches to remember "nirakaar in Sakar"; so which is the right method of rememberence ??

Can you please give your views.
shivsena.

Dear shivsena Bhai,
I have read the whole discussion on the topic of 'Baapdada' above. The following Murli point dated 27.03.2010 may be reffered in this regard.
" Abhi tum bachche jante ho baap ismein akar pravesh karte hein,isiliye kaha jata hai Baapdada. Baap alag hai Dada alag hai. Baap shiv, Dada Brahma hai. varsa shiv se milta hai in dwara."
Meaning that,
" Now you children understand that Baap(Father) enters in this, so it is called Baapdada. Baap (Father) is different Dada (Granfather/Big brother) is different. Baap (Father) is shiv, Dada (Grandfather/big brother) is Brahma. Inheritence is given by Shiv through this (Brahma)."

So baap is shiv.
Dada is Brahma. (which Brahma is to be understand)

[shivachild]

Dear Brother.
Good logical questioning.

This Godly knowledge has divided the family into 2 organisations : BKWSU and Aivv....both having some common beliefs and some completely different beliefs and the main difference being in the Chariot of Shiva.....BKs claim only Krishna(DL) as Chariot and PBKs claim Ram(VD) as their Chariot and this division is accurate as per drama plan to seperate 9,00,000 from 16108.... For both the Chariot is more important than the yartharth roop of ShivBaba and they feel that Chariot and yartharth roop are one and the same thing....but in fact it is not.....it has been said in Murlis that : "mere yartharth roop ko koto mein koi aur koi mein bhi koi hi jaanta hai"....so those(108) who recognise the yartharth roop will be different from those who recognise only the Chariot (9,00,000 or 16000)...the most experienced 108 king souls will have recognised both the chariots and through experience when they realise that both chariots have not given them salvation, then they will turn their attention to Murlis/Vanis and they will recognise the yartharth roop of ShivBaba as no.1 shivshakti. So remembering Shiva in Chariot is not the right way of rememberence as this has not produced any positive result which is obvious in both families.

shivsena.

Murli dated 09.02.2010 says,
Main jo hoon, jaisa hoon mujhe yathartha riti koi nahin jante. Tumhare mein bhi numberwar hain. Numberwar purushaarth anusar jante hain.
Universe ke liye to Ek hi Baap ate hain. Baap hi akar sare Universe ko pavan banate hain Yoga sikhate hain.
Kahte hain apne ko atma samjho, sare Universe ka Baap Hai Incorporeal God Father.

Meaning that,

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"[color=#0000BF]no one knows in right way who am I, How am I. Among you all know as per your rank. You all know as per your rank as per your effort. 
    Only one Father comes for the universe. Only Father makes the whole universe pure and teach yaga. He says to understand yourself as a soul, Father of the whole universe is incorporeal God Father.[/color]

The above Murli point indicates that neither BKs nor PBKs understand the Father in right way.
But this also indicates that BKs and PBKs understand the Father as per their rank .
(numberwar purusharth anusar).

[shivsena]

" Now you children understand that Baap(Father) enters in this, so it is called Baapdada. Baap (Father) is different Dada (Granfather/Big Brother) is different. Baap (Father) is Shiv, Dada (Grandfather/big Brother) is Brahma. Inheritence is given by Shiv through this (Brahma)."
So baap is Shiv.
Dada is Brahma. (which Brahma is to be understand)

This is what i do not understand: which brahma is Dada(big brother) and which brahma is Dada(great-great-grand Father)....or are they same ??????

shivsena.

[shivachild]

"Abhi tum jaantey ho hamaara Baba aaya hua hai inmay. Is shareeer ki apni aatma bhi hai, fir Parampita Parmatma kahtey hain - mai inkay rath par viraajmaan hoon. Isliye BapDada kahtey ho. Ab Dada ko toh in aankhon say dekhtey ho, Baap ko nahi dekhtey ho. (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.09.05, page 2)

• "Now you know that our Baba has come in him. This body has its own soul, and then the Supreme Father Supreme Soul says – I am sitting in his Chariot. That is why you say BapDada. Now you see Dada through these eyes; you do not see Bap." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.09.05, page 2 published by BKs)

above Murli point indicates:
1. Bap is Supreme Soul shiv and can't be seen by these eyes.
2. Dada is the body in which Supreme Soul shiv enters.

[shivsena]

above Murli point indicates:
1. Bap is Supreme Soul Shiv and cannot be seen by these eyes.
2. Dada is the body in which Supreme Soul Shiv enters.

It is understood by everyone that shiv (Supreme Soul Shiva) cannot be seen with these eyes.....but whom does the body of Dada belong to....is it soul of Krishna Badaa Bhai or is it Ram !!!!!....there are many points which indicate that Baba Dixit is Krishna's soul but there is not a single in-disputable point which indicates that Baba Dixit is Ram's soul....if you have any point which proves this then please quote that Murli point.

shivsena.

[shivachild]

It is understood by everyone that Shiv (Supreme Soul Shiva) cannot be seen with these eyes.....but whom does the body of Dada belong to....is it soul of Krishna Badaa Bhai or is it Ram !!!!!...

Murli dated 02.11.2007 says

8 paas with honour hote hain. Unmein aana chahiye. Unmein nahin to 108 mein aao. Margin to 16108 ki bhi hai.
Yeh Brahma bura padkar paas ho number one mein jata hai. Mama jawan bhi number one mein jati hai.
Meaning that
8 will pass with hounour.You should be within them. If not try to be within 108. Margin is also for 16108.
This old Brahma will pass and become number one. young Mama will also become number one.

The above Murli point on no. 1 Brahma may be referred to recognise the soul of Dada. As Dada is always associated with Baap just like one (1) is associated with zero (0); They become wonderful couple as per my understanding.
Now, who is this No.1 Brahma always associated with Bap?
1) As per basic knowledge no. 1 Brahma is the soul of Krishna.
2) As per advanced knowledge no. 1 Brahma is the soul of Ram.
If the soul of DL is Krishna, it can't be No. 1 as per advanced knowledge.
If the soul of VD is Krishna, as per your research, again it can't be No. 1.

It concludes that neither DL nor VD fits on the No. 1 Brahma.
If we can recognise the soul of No. 1 Brahma, we can definitely recognise the wonderful jodi of atma and parmatma.

[shivsena]

It concludes that neither DL nor VD fits on the No. 1 Brahma.
If we can recognise the soul of No. 1 Brahma, we can definitely recognise the wonderful jodi of atma and parmatma.

Dear brother.

You are very correct. If we can recognise who is brahma then the whole riddle will be solved.
It is said in Murlis : "brahma ko samajne mein bahut vishal buddhi chahiye; sirf maharathi hi samajaa sakte hain; ghode-sawaar aur pyade munj jaaenge".

I feel that there will be three different views about brahma:
BKs(9 lacs) will stick to DL (Krishna) as brahma.
PBKs (16000) will be firm on VD (Ram) as brahma.
While 108 king souls will have a completely different view; they will read the Murlis and will find out that Brahma(badi Maa) is jagdamba(Mama) who is no 1 shivshakti and can never be seperated from shiv. BKs and PBKs will believe in the praveshta theory of bindi shiv in DL and VD...but the scriptures never mention about some bindi shiv coming from Paramdham and entering into a male body to label him as brahma.

shivsena.

[shivachild]

BKs and PBKs will believe in the praveshta theory of bindi Shiv in DL and VD...but the scriptures never mention about some bindi Shiv coming from Paramdham and entering into a male body to label him as Brahma.

shivsena.[/color]

Murli dated 07.12.2009 says, " Krishna ko to sharir hai. Shiv ko hai nahin. Unko mukh to jaroor chahiye. Tumko sunaane ke liye aakar padaate hein na. drama anusar sari knowledge hi unke paas hai. Wah sare kalp mein ek hi bar aate hein, Dukhdham ko sukhdham banane".

Meaning that : " Krishna has its body, Shiv doesn't have. He(shiv) necessarily needs mouth. He comes to be narrate you. According to drama He(shiv) has whole knowledge. He comes once in the whole cycle, to convert place of sorrow in the place of happiness."

Dear Shivsena Bhai,
Doesn't above Murli point indicate that Shiv comes in the body of Krishna (male body) to narrate the knowledge?
or in other words, in near future, Shiv/No.1 shivshakti will take the body of VD to explain the true knowledge of Gita?

[shivsena]

Doesn't above Murli point indicate that Shiv comes in the body of Krishna (male body) to narrate The Knowledge?
or in other words, in near future, Shiv/No.1 shivshakti will take the body of VD to explain the true knowledge of Gita?

Dear brother.

yes-----If you combine both your above statements, then it means that personified ShivBaba(no. 1 shivshakti) will take the body of VD(Krishna not Ram) at the end of this behad ki brahma ki raat to explain true Gita.

Also the Murli point you have quoted says that ShivBaba comes only once and that "once" means at the end of behad ka drama in future and not in 1937.

shivsena.