Flaws in PBK Philosophy

[arjun]

Just think- we are giving title JAGADAMBA. Is it a simple title?

It is not a simple title and she has done a lot already to prove her credentials and she will do much more to prove herself worth her title. The Confluence Age is not yet over. So, just wait and watch.

If PBKs have right to comment Dada Lekhraj as Hiranyakashyap, Ravan, etc, and declare purity of Vedanti Behan is cowardly type and yet say Kamala dixit is right purity, then i think they should be ready explain them properly.

Those comments have been made by ShivBaba and not the PBKs. Do you think you are greater than ShivBaba? Anyway you are free to make personal comments. Nobody can stop you. You will write all that you have written Kalpa ago. So, go ahead.

[mbbhat]

Those comments have been made by ShivBaba and not the PBKs.

But, it will not have value in forums like this since at present its value is up to only - " belief of PBKs" , is it not?

[arjun]

But, it will not have value in forums like this since at present its value is up to only - " belief of PBKs" , is it not?

In that case, don't the Sakar Murlis hold any value for you just because even the Murlis contain a lot of defamation about lokik gurus, path of Bhakti, bad words for lokik people? Are they not ShivBaba's words in your opinion?

[fluffy bunny]

Is the defamation about lokik gurus or is the defamation metaphorical and about elements within the BKWSU?

Now- let us think impartially. Is there anyone in this world- who left his religion and then fighting for rights of the followers of his previous religion?

It is a shame they did not teach you anything about the real history of religion and humanity at your so-called University, about morals and ethical positions.

Such are strong principles in the caste-free Britain and Western democracies following the Protestant Reformation (16th century) and The Age of Enlightenment (18th century).

The first was the right to a direct relationship with one's own god not limited by a self-appointed elite, e.g. the Popes of the Vatican or the Brahma Kumaris of Mt. Abu, and the free study of scripture in one's own language which was previous controlled by the priests and landowners, just like the Brahma Kumaris.

The second is a democratic principle embodied in this saying attributed to Voltaire, the French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778).

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (freedom of speech)

- originated in "The Friends of Voltaire", 1906, by S. G. Tallentyre

It would be

• "I might disagree with what you believe, but I will defend to your right to believe it".

Both religious freedom and the division of religion from the State are important principles of political liberty. They were achieved not by top down control, as with the Brahma Kumaris, but through popular rebellion against tyranny.

The BK leadership does not teach liberation in life, they are not in essence "enlightened". They are just about replacing the top knot caste with themselves and maintaining the caste system. They are becoming the corrupt lokik pandits, brahmins and sanyasis they once criticised. In fact, now we understand that the criticisms within the Murlis are of characters within the Yagya.

[mbbhat]

In that case, don't the Sakar Murlis hold any value for you just because even the Murlis contain a lot of defamation about lokik gurus, path of Bhakti, bad words for lokik people? Are they not ShivBaba's words in your opinion?

Good point.

While teaching to children, we stress some points. "Oh- see- thief may come, take care. They are nothing, you are great,,... ".. So- it to make aware that -how the lowkik scriptures and gurus have defamed god and India/world and to motivate children.

But in AV, there is no defamation to anyone at all. why? Because that is teaching of higher level. so- Baba says- dear children, you need to reach high aim/farista.
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Even then Baba (Sakar Murli) says- it is you (BK souls) who were the cause for downfall of others. [BKs believe that it is Jagadish Bhai who has written scriptures and they were cause for downfall and also Murli says- It would be maatpita (as if brahma and Mama) who become impure first in Copper Age.]

Also note that- In Sakar Murli, it is never criticized by pointing to some lowkik Guru by his name that such and such person had done this and this. Wherever Baba has pointed names, for example, Baapooji, shankaaraachaarya, etc, Baba will speak in one or two sentences and mention both plus and minus points. [It is not like PBKs' saying- DL is number one false Guru, Dadi Prakashmani is Maya, Ramesh Bhai is bicchu tindan, etc. and pointing and listing each and every activity and commenting on that. and sometimes they project them as if they form secrets/gems of knowledge]

I have absolutely no objection by if Chariot of PBKs criticizes BKs or BKWSU in such a way even by individual names and listing each and every event or action. But if PBKs wish to spread those things, they should be ready to hear when same things get rebounded. Is it not?

Do BKs cry like you or accuse lowkik people when lowkik people criticize BKs? [Baba says for aadi ratnas- hastey hastey sahan kyaa = you have tolerated with smiles]. Baba says- if someone says something, hear from one ear and leave it from the other.

It is very difficult to make you understand such things. Then what happens is- in the middle of discussion- you accuse wrongly and the discussion gets deviated.
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Baba says- BKs are cause for downfall of India, by becoming impure and writing scriptures. But do PBKs believe that it is PBKs who are cause for the first downfall of India?

There they point it towards BKs that- BKs are doing wrong shooting, they do Bhakti, etc....

So- is this not double standard of PBKs? I had written long back- let PBKs list their shooting and mention their effects in Bhaktimarg whether they are benefit or for downfall. You did not list. But PBKs list the activities of BKs- like Bhog, tieing rakkhi, etc.

But, still I have no problem. i will continue the discussion even if you do not reply. i never expected any reply from you. [But of course, I can write my inference/views.- that if yaadgaars in Bhakti are that of BKs, then they are powerful than PBKs!]-

PBKs can neither list and explain their activities from gyaan marg into Bhaktimarg, and also cannot prove how keeping Bhog, bhandar will cause downfall in Bhaktimarg, but still reserve right to comment and criticize BKWSU just by saying- in Sakar Murlis also there are comments, and it is ShivBaba who comments so through dixit!

The point is- if you have expectations from other side, then you should also prove it from your side. any lowkik person can understand this. But PBKs (the so called gyaani tu atmas) fail to understand.

[mbbhat]

An important thing.- If PBKs believe purity of all BKs are cowardly type, and that of Kamala Dixit is right one (because she is now in house hold path), then what about purity of kumars and kumaris in AIVV?

And what about purity of Mr. dixit (he is a kumar)? is it not?

If PBKs seem it is important, let them reply. Else, anyhow, I will wind up myself from all the topics, except the one as already mentioned.

[arjun]

BKs are cause for downfall of India, by becoming impure and writing scriptures. But do PBKs believe that it is PBKs who are cause for the first downfall of India?

I have written several times and I repeat that whatever mistakes are committed by BKs in physical form are also committed by some PBKs in subtle form because BKs are the roots, but PBKs are the seeds. The roots cannot perform the mistakes without their seeds doing it in a subtle form. The only difference is that the mistake by PBKs is not visible to the world, but the mistakes of BKs is visible to the world as they are in a physical form. The Bhakti shooting among PBKs will become visible when the Father becomes incognito in future and the Yagya will be looked after by Jagdamba and her army of shaktis. So, wait and watch.

Please read the above carefully and many times as I don't have the energy to repeat hundred times. I hope you understand.

I have already posted on this forum how the Bhakti traditions are being followed by BKs. I can copy and paste the matter once again. But you will write another hundred comments which will be repetitive in nature. So, you better search on this forum yourself.

[arjun]

An important thing.- If PBKs believe purity of all BKs are cowardly type, and that of Kamala Dixit is right one (because she is now in house hold path), then what about purity of Kumars and Kumaris in AIVV?

And what about purity of Mr. dixit (he is a Kumar)? is it not?

Kumars and Kumaris in AIVV are not sanyasis but grihasthis because they are part of a family. We have Father and mother. But do BKs have a Father and mother in practical? They have only Dadis, Didis, brothers and sisters. So, they are not in a real household at all.

As regards Baba Virendra Dev Dixit, he is the biggest householder, being the Chariot of Shiv. All the PBKs consider themselves to be Shivshaktis and Pandavs.

[mbbhat]

Kumars and Kumaris in AIVV are not sanyasis but grihasthis because they are part of a family. We have Father and mother.

There is no proof that there is Father and mother. It is juts in papers and words. they can neither prove shiv comes there, or DL comes there. There is neither Vedanti sister nor Kamala dixit there at present.

So- is PBKs family is like- their mothers are - one is subtle (DL) can neither be seen nor be proved that they have him/her, one will come only in the end (Vedanti) and the third one gets fear and runs away from family (AIVV) to lowkik world and stays there for years together (KDixit)?

But do BKs have a Father and mother in practical? They have only Dadis, Didis, Brothers and Sisters. So, they are not in a real household at all.

For us, ShivBaba is sarv sambanddhi (all relations), not just maatpitaa. And BKs believe in charitr and not chitr. So- in additonal, there is charitr of brahma Baba as well as Mama with them. and more important is- knowledge (Murli) of pure house hold path is with them.
[quote All the PBKs consider themselves to be Shivshaktis and Pandavs.[/quote]
even BKs consider themselves so.
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PBK family on one hand says - it is full family in itself, but then needs support (Murlis and Vanis) from BK side.

they do not have independent knowledge with them- even if they claim that they have all the Father and mother. even today- they are dependent on Avyakt Vani spoken in BKWSU.

And also believe that they need 2.25 lakh souls to make their family physically complete! [Else their rudrmala cannot become vijayamala]
so- they have neither knowledge, no proof of mother and Father, at present there is no Jagadama there, and in future also- they are dependent on 2.25 lakh souls whom they call coward.
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Even BKs have points to defend themselves according to their belief. It is also a family. You may point something, I also can point something.

[arjun]

There is no proof that there is Father and mother. It is juts in papers and words. they can neither prove Shiv comes there, or DL comes there. There is neither Vedanti Sister nor Kamala dixit there at present.

You know only of these two, but you don't know that Brahma Baba's soul (which also plays the role of a mother) is present in Shankar's body. Besides, there is a mother of Suryavanshis (referred to as Sister Yogini or Kashi, which are not her real names) to take care of the Yagya as a mother.

So- is PBKs family is like- their mothers are either one subtle (DL), one will come only in the end (Vedanti) and another gets fear and goes to lowkik world and stays there for years together (KDixit)?

Any more stones to throw? Welcome.

BKs believe in charitr and not chitr.

This is the biggest joke of the day.

even BKs consider themselves so.

But where is Shiv in practical just as He was there during Brahma Baba's time? Anyway, I am not interested in debate. You can repeat the same thousand lines to be in limelight.

PBK family on one hand says - it is full family in itself, but then needs support (Murlis and Vanis) from BK side.

And also believe that they need 2.25 lakh souls to make their family physically complete! [Else their rudrmala cannot become vijayamala]
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Even BKs have points to defend themselves according to their belief. It is also a family. You may point something, I also can point something.

Again repetition. No time for debate. Sorry.

[mbbhat]

You know only of these two, but you don't know that Brahma Baba's soul (which also plays the role of a mother) is present in Shankar's body.

Only in words, without proof.

Besides, there is a mother of Suryavanshis (referred to as Sister Yogini or Kashi, which are not her real names) to take care of the Yagya as a mother.

So- PBKs are like children whose mother go on changing. when one mother leaves, one of the children is placed in that guddi!
Imagine condition of a child having four to five mothers. That is pbk family. Great indeed.

[arjun]

So- PBKs are like children whose mother go on changing. when one mother leaves, one of the children is placed in that guddi!
Imagine condition of a child having four to five mothers. That is PBK family. Great indeed.

In India there is a tradition of joint families where there are several mothers and they all live happily. How can you understand when you have spent most of the Copper Age and Iron Age in foreign countries remembering the non-living point of light. You can laugh to your heart's fill. :D

And we don't change mothers. Not just Jagdamba, Vaishnavi, and Suryavanshi mata are our mothers, but each and every female bodied soul is like a mother to us irrespective of whether she is a mother or a virgin. ShivBaba has said that unless every PBK considers every shakti (sister/mother) as a mother (shiv-shakti) the transformation is not going to take place. And in BKs, if any sister is called a mother by mistake, she becomes angry immediately, even if she looks very old. They simply want to jump from being elder sister (Didi) to grandmother (Dadi).

[mbbhat]

Not just Jagdamba, Vaishnavi, and Suryavanshi mata are our mothers, but each and every female bodied soul is like a mother to us irrespective of whether she is a mother or a virgin.

If PBKs feel every female bodied soul as a mother to them, then i think- they could NOT have seen any mistake in Dadis, Didis or sisters in BKWSU is it not? But, criticizing them is a main agenda in their service, it it not?
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And if every female body is mother, then all females are mothers, so no daughters in AIVV.
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and similarly- do PBKs feel every male as their Father?

1)If yes, then there all males are Father and no children at all in pbk family. All are just mothers and fathers.
2)If no, then there are just mothers, fathers and male children, but no daughters.
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[arjun]

If PBKs feel every female bodied soul as a mother to them, then i think- they could NOT have seen any mistake in Dadis, Didis or Sisters in BKWSU is it not? But, criticizing them is a main agenda in their service, it it not?

A negative mind will see negative even in a positive statement. Good. Keep it up. :D
Seeing someone women as mothers does not mean that the violations of Shrimat by them will be overlooked. Our main agenda is to reveal the Father and not to criticize. Truth appears bitter.

And if every female body is mother, then all females are mothers, so no daughters in AIVV.
and similarly- do PBKs feel every male as their Father?
1)If yes, then there all males are Father and no children at all in PBK family. All are just mothers and fathers.
2)If no, then there are just mothers, fathers and male children, but no daughters.

Empty mind is ...'s workshop. Keep on thinking like this. :laugh:

[mbbhat]

Those were the replies I thought you will give. Because what can PBKs have more than them? PBKs try to comment on every minute aspect of BKWSU, but fail to reply when same is put in front of them. OK , fine