Shankar's Part ?

[shivsena]

The soul of Brahma (bari ma or senior mother) is playing a part through the the soul of Ram. So, by following the present Sakar form of ShivBaba you are following both the mother and the Father (ardhanareeshwar).

Bhakti-scriptures define ardh-nari-ishwar as Shiva and his shakti combined.....whereas AK teaches that Ram(Bap)+Krishna(baccha) are combined to form ardh-nari-ishwar.....again the AK teachings do not tally with rememberences of Bhakti-marg and no reference of this teaching is mentioned in Murlis or Vanis.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
Bhakti-scriptures define ardh-nari-ishwar as Shiva and his shakti combined.....whereas AK teaches that Ram(Bap)+Krishna(baccha) are combined to form ardh-nari-ishwar....

Did SS Shiv come to combine with shakti or to give gems of knowledge? Actually Shankar is depicted as Shiva in Bhakti just becoz Shiva enters Shankar in sangam yug as it is said in SM that "Shiva and Shankar are two different souls but the body is one." Brahma alias Krishna is the original Jagadhamba so when it is said Shiva and his shakti is combined, it denotes the ardhanareeshwar form ie. Rambap and Brahma Ma.

again the AK teachings do not tally with rememberences of Bhakti-marg and no reference of this teaching is mentioned in Murlis or Vanis.

If ardhanareeshwar is depicted in Bhakti, then definitely it is mentioned in SM too, as it is said that Bhakti is based on whatever is happening in sangam yug.

indie.

[shivsena]

so when it is said Shiva and his shakti is combined, it denotes the ardhanareeshwar form ie. Rambap and Brahma Ma.indie.

Let us wait and see who is right.....whether ardh-nari-ishwar is shiv+adishakti ie Mama combined with shiv.....or is it Ram+Krishna combined (Father+son).

[shivsena]

Brahma alias Krishna is the original Jagadhamba so when it is said Shiva and his shakti is combined, it denotes the ardhanareeshwar form ie. Rambap and Brahma Ma. indie.

If ardh-nari-ishwar is the combined form of Rambap+brahma Maa, then why define Bap(jagatpita) and Maa(jagatmata) seperately in nischay-patra.

If Rambap and brahma Maa are combined in one body, then where is the need of a third seperate personality(kamla devi) to be labelled as jagdamba....Does it not create more confusion !!!!

[arjun]

Disc.CD No.442, dated 17.11.07 at Vishakhapatnam
Extracts

Time: 0.02-1.37
Student: It has been said in a Murli that we should follow the Father. We will have to follow Prajapita, won’t we?
Baba: Dhaarnaa.
Student: Which Father should we follow in dhaarnaa?
Baba: Is dhaarnaa related to Dharmaraj or anyone else? Who is made Dharmaraj? Is someone with dhaarnaa made (Dharmaraj) or is anyone else made (Dharmaraj)? Who is Dharmaraj, the king of dharma? Who is the king among those who inculcate (virtues)? This is why it has been said, as far as directions are concerned, follow me, and in actions follow Brahma. You can at least grasp through the intellect how Brahma acted. (Student: ....it depends on….We have to follow Brahma. But now, in the advance knowledge, whom should we follow? )
Baba: Is Brahma not present now? If Brahma is not present, then how is this sustenance taking place in advance (party)? Will monkeys give sustenance? In the picture of Ardhanaareeshwar, the form is depicted to be half male and half female. Who plays that part of half female? It is the soul of Brahma who plays that part.

[ANU]

I know this discussion quite well. I aksed myself the following questions:

Brahma present is which body should be followed, then?

In Jagadamba - who left the Yagya?
In Baba Virendra Dev Dixit when he plays the role of Krishna who interferes and misleads the others?

As who should he be followed?


Till today I couldn't find the right answer.

[arjun]

Brahma present is which body should be followed, then?

Brahma through the body of Ram.

[ANU]

Through the body fo Ram he does an awful job of misleading and interfering and not following the code of conduct (according to what AK transmits)

[shivsena]

Brahma present is which body should be followed, then?

Brahma through the body of Ram.

This further complicates the advance teachings:

We have to follow brahma(Krishna) who is interfering and who is not yet complete.....and then we have not to remember brahma(as per Murlis) and then we have to remember Shiva in Baba Dixit to burn our sins.....how do PBKs have an eye to differentiate between the two souls in one body and how do they have the stomach to digest such ambiguities.....to me this is completely baffling teaching, which does not make any sense.

[arjun]

We have to follow Brahma(Krishna) who is interfering and who is not yet complete.....and then we have not to remember Brahma(as per Murlis) and then we have to remember Shiva in Baba Dixit to burn our sins.....how do PBKs have an eye to differentiate between the two souls in one body and how do they have the stomach to digest such ambiguities.....to me this is completely baffling teaching.

There is no confusion if you see only one Shiv through the body of Ram and try to learn good things from his words and actions.

[shivsena]

There is no confusion if you see only one Shiv through the body of Ram and try to learn good things from his words and actions.

Good thing from his words !!!!...(teachings which are ambigious and do not tally with Murlis/Vanis and has divided the family first into two parts and then subdividing them into 9 different groups and causing friction between them.)

And actions..(which actions????)

Can any pbk please clarify.

[arjun]

And actions..(which actions????)

Those with a discerning eye will automatically grasp goodness. Those in body consciousness will continue to see just faults.

[shivsena]

Those with a discerning eye will automatically grasp goodness. Those in body consciousness will continue to see just faults.

The actions which you are hinting at never bothered me at all...in fact i was told about them even before my Advance Course started.

For me it is quite clear now that his teachings cannot be followed....so I sincerely wish to know which actions in particular of Baba Dixit we have to follow.

I have never found faults in Baba Dixit's personal life....the fault lies only in his part and his teachings which are not taking any pbk nearer to the truth.

[arjun]

I have never found faults in Baba Dixit's personal life.

It is this flawlessness which has to be followed.

[shivsena]

It is this flawlessness which has to be followed.

And what about the full-of-flaws advance knowledge....are they to be ignored and accepted without questioning....or they are to be fought with weapons of points from Murlis and Vanis !!!!!!