Flaws in PBK Philosophy

[mbbhat]

Flaw no. 19):- I think PBKs belive god did not speak immediately as he entered in the body. I think they belive god first listened. But the following Murli point is against this.

SM 13-5-82(3):- Aatma sharir dwaaraa bolti hai na. ShivBaba bhi kahte hain main bol saktaa hun. AANE SE HEE BOLNAA SHURU KAR DETAA HUN. -15

= Soul speaks thorugh body, is it not? ShivBaba also says I can speak. As soon as (I) come, I begin to speak.
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At present it seems that no pbk has guts to explain the things mentioned in this thread. Anyhow, it is upto them. Because anybody can overtake the other. So in the end, even I may fail in my own arguements. But I remember one thing by the following.

Arjun soul wrote:- Since I have decided not to respond to any of the posts of mbbhat after he called all the PBKs as terrorists (apart from many other titles that he has given to PBKs in the past), I will not write about the flaws being pointed out by him in this thread.

I remembered the story of the fox which said grapes are sour!

[mbbhat]

SM 5-6-82(1):- Baap ghadi2 bachche kah_kar samjhaate hain. -46-

= Father explains by saying children2 (or child2) oftenly(frequently).

But Mr. dixit does not say like that! He says maataaji or something (as I got it from a forum member].

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 20) In Bhaktimarg, braahmins wear a thread called as janivar (yajnopaveeth). It consists of three rounds. It has one knot. Thta knot is called as KNOT OF BRAHMA. It is belived that this knot cannot be opened.

I think this knot is yaadgaar of Brahma and he should be number one soul. The belief that it cannot be opened implies- faith of Brahma with shiv could cannot be broken by any obstacle.

It is practically seen in life of Brahma Baba. But PBKs belive that sevakram left Yagya. So I think Mr. Dixit cannot be number one as claimed by PBKs.

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 21) PBKs believe Shivling does not represent just shiv. It is combination of corporeal and incorporeal. According to them, the ling represents (a part of ) body of Shankar(Dixit) and the point repesents Shiv.

Even saaligraams are also worshipped in the fom of ling. Baba has said those saaligraams represent the souls who helped Baba.

Now- if PBKs are corect, there should have been two points shown in Shivling and just one in saaligraam. Because in the Chariot, thee ae two souls together, is it not?
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Also in mecca there is a stone (known as kaabaa kaa paththar). I do not know whether thee is point in in it. If not, do PBKs belive that stome is just body of Mr. Dixit?

[mbbhat]

Flaw No. 22):- Regarding Mukhvamshavali and kukhvamshavali braahmins:-

BKs believe BKs are mukhvamshavali braahmins of brahma (= Prajapita) and lowkik Brahmins are kukhvamshavali braahmins. There is nothing called as kukhvamshavali braahmins of Brahma. Baba says many times- “itney sab kukhvamshaavali ho na sakey= so many children cannot be kukhvamsahavalis”

In spite of that PBKs give the following statements:-

“There is a big difference between those Brahmins(BK.s) and you Brahmins(PBK.s). They are born from the womb(intellect) of the mother(Brahma) and you (PBK.s) are born by listening to (advance) knowledge through the mouth
of the Father (of Humanity). These subtle points of knowledge (in Murlis ) should be understood well.' [ The two types of Brahmins.kukhvanshavali (half-cast) and mukhvanshavali (full-cast).are in the Brahmin family itself ].(Murli-29-4-89)” -[this is found in pbk websites]

In the above Murli point, PBKs have interpreted “they are kukhvamshavali” as “they are kukhvamshavali of Brahma”. They have even interpreted half caste As kukhvamshavali and full caste as mukhvamshavali!

But see the following Murli point:-

SM 24-12-82(1):- Toh yah huye brahma ke mukhvamshavali. Un braahmanon ko kahenge kukhvamshavali. AISE NAHIN KAHENGE KI BRAHMA KE KUKHVAMSHAVALI BRAAHMAN. NAHIN. To ab tum bachche ho Brahma ke mukhvamshavali. -138 [mv-kv]

= So these are mouth born progenies/children. Those braahmins are called as womb born progenies. IT IS NOT SAID (OR IT CANNOT BE SAID) AS WOMB BORN PROGENIES OF BRAHMA. No. So now you children are mouth born progenies of Brahma.

Comment:- Just see- to what extent PBKs mis interpret Murli points!

Even when Baba says there cannot be kukhvammshavali of Brahma, PBKs say so.

Anyhow, it is part of our own family brother souls in this drama.

[mbbhat]

23)Gyaan saagar(Ocean of knowledge) and Gyaan sury( Sun of Knowledge)

According to my knowledge, PBKs believe Gyaan sury is Mx. Dixit and Gyaan sagar is Shiv and the wto are different.

According to BKs, both are same and he is Shiv.

The following Murli point disproves pbk belief.

SM 4-12-77 (2):- Gyaan saagar ko gyaan sury kahenge. = Gyaan saagar is called as Gyaan sury

[mbbhat]

24)Regarding Adi Dev:-

PBKs say- temple at Ajmer is of Brahma Baba and there is just one temple of Brahma. Since Brahma is not much worth, there is just one temple of him.

PBKs believe- Adi Dev is Mr. Deekshith.

SM 4-5-77(2):- Jagadamba ki to bahut poojaa karte hain jo Saraswati Brahma ki beti hai. PHIR ADI DEV BRAHMA KAHAAN GAYA? UNKAA SIRF AJMER MAY MANDIR HAI. Ab Mama hai gyaan gyaaneshjwari. Tum jaante ho vah braahmani hai. Vah koyi swarg ki devi nahin hai. -13

= There is lot of worship of Jagadamba who is Saraswati- daughter of Brahma. Now/Then- Where is temple of Adi Dev Brahma? There is just one temple of him. Now Mama is gyaan gyaanehswari. ...

Now- can PBKs explain why there is no enough temples of either Adi Dev or Prajapita?


SM 23-9-82(2):- Jagadamba ka mandir neeche hai. Vaastav may donon kaa ikaththaa honaa chaahiye. Tum jaante ho Brahma ki beti number one princess banegi. Tum Jagadamba ke 84 janmon ka biography batlaa saktey ho. Tum ShivBaba ki biography ko jaante ho. -30 [Mama, Biography, LM, mandir]

=Temple of Jagadamba is below. Actually both (Adi Dev and Adi Devi) of them should be together. You know that daughter of Brahma will become number one princess....

[Here Baba says- both adi Dev and Adi Devi should be placed together].

I think there is another Murli point that says- since Adi Dev and Adi Devi are Father and daughter, their temples are made separate. If I get, I will put here. If anyone finds, please mention.

SM 12-12-77(2):- ShivBaba samjhaate rahte hain. Kab koyi shaastr nahin uthaayaa jaataa. Baba sunaa rahe hain. Yah bhi kahte hai main main sun raha hun. Baab nahin hai toh yah bhi sunaate hain. ISMEY BABA HAI. ISLIYE BRAHMA KAA NAAM ITNAA NAHIN HAI. Ajmer may ek mandir banaya hai. Parantu kuch samajhte nahin. Krishn ko Murli dee hai, Saraswati ko Benjo diyaa hai. Godess of Knowledge Saraswati ko kahte hain. God of Knowledge Brahma ke badley phir Krishn ko kah diyaa hai. Moonhj gaye hain. Baap baith samjhaate hain Trimurti may Krishn toh hai nahin. Bhal karke hain, parantu gupt. RK hee phir LN bante hain. Yah bhi kisko pataa nahin hai. -152-

= ShivBaba goes on explaining. He never takes scriptures(!= exactly opposite of wwhat Mr. Dixit does). Baba is speaking. This also says- I am listening. When Baba is not in this, this also explains. Baba is in this. Hence there is no name of Brahma. There is (just) one temple at Ajmer. But people do not understand. ...

[Baba clearly explains why there is no enough praise for Brahma. But PBKs give different reason by defaming Dada Lekhraj. Still they cannot explain why there is no enough temple of Prajapita even if they believe Prajapita is kumar (= Mr Dixit)]

SM 18-10-81(1):- ShivBaba to sabkaa baap hai. Is brahma ko gggf kaha jaataa hai. Lowkik baap to sabke hote hee hain. Paarlowkik baap ko Bhaktimarg may Yaad karte hain. Ab tum bachche samajhte ho yah alowkik baap jisko koyi nahin jaante hain. Bhal Brahma ka mandir hai, yahaan bhi Prajapita Adi Dev ka mandir hai. Unko koyi Mahaaveer bhi kahte hain, koyi dilwaalaa bhi kahte hain. Parantu vaastav may dil lenevaalaa hai ShivBaba na ki brahma. -75- [prajapita, AdiDev, GGGF]

= ShivBaba is Father of all. This Brahma is called as GGGF. There is lowkik Father for all. The paarlowkik Father is remembered in Bhaktimarg. Now- you children know that this is the alowkik Father whom no one knows. Of course, there is temple of Brahma. Even here also there is temple of Prajapita Adi Dev. Some call him as Mahaaveer, some as dilvaalaa(one who takes heart). But actually it is ShivBaba who takes heart, not Brahma.

Even the above Murli point says- the temple at Dilwaala is of Brahma Baba and it also says- real Dilwala is not the one who is given that name.

Baba is saying that the temples of Brahma at Ajmer, Adi Dev at Mount Abu, etc all belong to the same personality.

Do PBKs believe so?

Ido not know whether PBKs believe Dilwala as Mr. Dixit or ShivBaba?

[arjun]

Om Shanti. Brahma or Prajapita are effortmaking stages. When Prajapita changes from man to Narayan, that perfect deity form is worshipped.

The Jain Dilwara temple at Mount Abu is non-living. The so-called living Dilwara temple claimed to be established by BKs is also not a living Dilwara in real sense as God is not with them in practical. The actual living Dilwara temple is being established by ShivBaba now in the Confluence Age. But as the Brahmin souls have not attained the stage of perfection, the gathering of PBKs cannot yet be called the living Dilwara temple.

[mbbhat]

Om Shanti. Brahma or Prajapita are effortmaking stages. When Prajapita changes from man to Narayan, that perfect deity form is worshipped.

1)Is not Jagadamba effort making stage? The question here was how come many temples of Jagadamba are present, but why not of Prajapita?

2)When PBKs believe that Mr. Dixit is Confluence Aged Narayan/Krishna, is it effort making stage or perfect deity form?

Do temples of Narayan represent Golden Aged Narayan (Dada Lekhraj) or Confluence Aged Narayan (= Mr. Dixit)?

Here there is ambiguity- because Mr. Dixit can fit as both confluence Aged Narayan and Golden Aged Narayan. But do temples of Krishna belong to confluence aged Krishna(Dixit) or Golden Aged Krishna(Lekhraj)?

3)Also do PBKs believe temple of Brahma at Ajmer is of Dada Lekhraj or Mr. Dixit?

4)Since when Mr. Dixit plays role of Shankar? Is it a perfect form or is he effort maker while playing role of Shankar?

5)According to my knowledge- PBKs believe Shivling is combination of some part of body of Mr. Dixit and bindu Shiv. Is it so? If yes, then is the status of Mr. Dixit perfect form?

[arjun]

Om Shanti.

Temples of Narayan or Krishna represent the Confluence-Age Narayan or Krishna.

Temple of Brahma at Ajmer represents Dada Lekhraj Brahma's part.

Shankar's part is an effortmaking part as he is shown to be doing tapasya, i.e. Yoga.

[mbbhat]

1)Temples of Narayan or Krishna represent the Confluence-Age Narayan or Krishna.
2)Temple of Brahma at Ajmer represents Dada Lekhraj Brahma's part.
3)Shankar's part is an effortmaking part as he is shown to be doing tapasya, i.e. Yoga.

1)Is confluence Aged Krishna and/or Narayan effort making stage or perfect form?

2)The Murli point says- temple at Ajmer is of Adi Dev. So- how do you explain Dala Lekhraj is not Adi Dev?

3)In many places, Shankar is worshipped. So- how come effort making stages are worshipped?- since you had written as if- only perfect deity forms are worshipped and not effort making stages.

Also do you believe Mr. Dixit is Confluence aged Krishna, Narayan, Prajapita, Shankar, Ram, etc all at same time? If possible- please mention the duration from when the respective part begins and ends.

Also some questions remain unanswered. But it is OK. Hope in future replies may come.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. Shankar can be worshipped because it is through the perfect stage of Shankar that Shiv gets revealed in the world in the end.

Rest of the questions have already been discussed elsewhere in the past.

[mbbhat]

25)Revealation of God:-

Avyakt Murlis say -God would be revealed through chalan(behaviour) and chehrey(face) of children and Sakar Murlis highlight about visions.

But PBKs believe it is just by one soul- Mr. Dixit and perhaps through TV!
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Also when PBKs believe the whole of the knowledge is about BK and PBk family, then is it not ridiculous of saying getting revealed to the whole of the world?

[mbbhat]

Rest of the questions have already been discussed elsewhere in the past.

But no explanation was given and still it is not answered. It proves that PBKs are contradicting their own statements.
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25)Flaw About Revealation of God:-

Avyakt Murlis say -God would be revealed through chalan(behaviour) and chehrey(face) of children and Sakar Murlis highlight about visions.

But PBKs believe it is just by one soul- Mr. Dixit (or may be two even Vedanti behan) and perhaps through TV!

Also when PBKs believe the whole of The Knowledge is about BK and PBK family, then is it not ridiculous of saying getting revealed to the whole of the world?

[arjun]

Om Shanti. I am sorry I do not have time to argue with the above member although I can answer his questions. He can draw any inference from this statement.