I get in or pull him out

[proy]

Happy to join you! :lol:

Welcome :lol:

[jannisder]

If you have decided you don't like the BKs and their knowledge why are you persisting with the course?

I really like bkers. Read the topic from the start ... The knowledge however is too funny for me here and there at this point. But you never know!!! I do the course, i like to learn, even from mistakes.

[john]

I realy like bkers. Read the topic from the start ... The knowledge however is to funny for me here and there at this point. But you never know!!! I do the course, I like to learn, even from mistakes.

That's OK then, I somehow got the impression you were only going along with it to get your friend out of the BK 'cult'.

[jannisder]

That is also my mission ... (not impossible).

[jannisder]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/290624/video/R/CFD_1000/ Enjoy!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/415634/video/R/CFD_1000/ Enjoy!

And we have nothing to think about?

[proy]

I really enjoyed these videos Jannisder, thanks.

My wife especially loved the first one.

[jannisder]

Happy you loved the videos, and hello and warm regards to your wife.

Believe it or not ...

When do we speak of brainwashing?

For me ... beliefs or religion are OK. But the extreme ... why is it that a strong healthy man wants to have a celibate life? (Do not get me wrong ... if i have to I live celibate with him, it's OK, this is not a lust thing but a real love thing). Is it not to get hurt in love again ... is his imagination of the Golden Age ... being a king ... a fantasy and ego?

Being detached a way of self-protection from pain? How is it that someone can get this far? How can he, as an educated person, believe the dinosaur thing? Say that all negatives about BK is done by PBKs ...? And Murlis on the Internet are wrong ...?

Anyway ... he doesn't care to be kicked out of BK for the things he is doing right now, and doesn't want to give it up! ... has his Murlis anyway ... he said. So Baba is the one to "fight"?

And as my good friend Abrahma Kumar said, we souls need knowledge and not 'brainwashing?

[jannisder]

Until a soul gets the knowledge, it is seeing only the present life. After getting the Godly knowledge, one starts seeing the future and do not remember the past but tries to learn lessons from past experiences. 8)

How can you forget the past first and yet learn from it?

[proy]

How can you forget the past first and yet learn from it?

Very good question. The BKs seem able to live with contradictions however educated or intelligent they may be. The Murlis are full of contradictions, although I was taught to call them "paradoxes". But even before you get to the Murlis, and I look forward to reading your comments on them if or when you do, try this one from the 7 day course.

If the whole drama of the world is an identically repeating endless cycle then why should we worry about karma? As we can't change anything anyway, according to the BKs I will be writing these exact same words again in 5000 years, then why have a lesson in the 7 day course about karma at all? Why bother if we have no free will?

[fluffy bunny]

Being detached a way of self-protection from pain? How is it that someone can get this far? How can he, as an educated person, believe the dinosaur thing?

Welcome to the BKWSU ... all of them ... all of those white clad angels of wisdom ... they all have to believe that dinosaurs existed 2,500 years ago. You see, before that was heaven on earth - of which there is no history or evidence, of course - because it could not exist in an impure world. So no dinosaurs either.

No reason given why they all died out. The only reasons given for their existence in the first place was that ... and this is almost a quote/unquote verbatim explanation ... God says there was Nuclear Power in Heaven. One educated BK told me that when humanity/heaven fell into the Copper Age, all the powerstation must have exploded and corrupted the genes of little lizzards etc to make dinosaurs but then they changed back later into other species. That there was a sort of mini-Destruction, that they had guns and flying machines.

The bit about Nuclear Power and flying machines is pure BKWSU. They call the latter vimana. The bit about the dinosaurs is BKs trying to figure out how to fit them in to God Shiva's theory.

• So you have done the 7 days Course now ... the lesson on the 5,000 year Cycle and Tree?

Ask him how the deities in the Golden Age get the flag off the moon or the satellites back from outer space?

Say that all negatives about BK is done by PBKs ...? And Murlis on the Internet are wrong ...?

Can you clarify what you mean here ... is he saying that it is wrong to put Murlis on the Internet so the world can read them or that all the Murlis that are already on the Internet are wrong in some way?

I can promise you one thing, I am not a PBK and nothing to do with the PBKs, and most of us here are not. The BKs are a bit afraid of the PBKs because the BKs have something to hide ...and the PBKs are showing the BKs up. The PBKs study the knowledge much more deeply and, in my opinion, accurately. They also know more of the history of the BKWSU than the BKWSU wants people to know.

• • Can he give us examples of which Murlis are wrong and show us the corrections?
  • Can you ask him why the BKWSU is re-editing the Murlis, changing them, if they are God's words?

Just so you know, and to be honest with you, I am trying to find out what the BKWSU is telling its followers about the PBKs, the Murlis etc. The BKWSU are changing the Murlis to hide where God (or they) got it wrong, like their End of the World predictions and the population of the world.

Anyway ... he doesn't care to be kicked out of BK for the things he is doing right now, and doesn't want to give it up! ... has his Murlis anyway ... he said. So Baba is the one to "fight"?

Yes, Baba is the one to fight. You ought to ask to go to India, to Madhuban, to meet him and ask him the truth.

Being detached a way of self-protection from pain?

No. It is all about Baba not wanting to share the BKs with anyone else. No allowing them to be influenced or have relationships that would distract the BKs from thinking of him. We are wondering if this Baba is really giving power or whether he is taking power and distributing it.

You do not realise what great work you are doing ... you are such a pure soul, drive by such a pure love ... and so energetic. And yet how similar your experience is to so many other individuals. It is great to document it so that the world can see what these people are like, what they do and what they really believe. Baba is coming to meet the BKs are this time. You should go and see him.

[jannisder]

The Murli is not complete because there is a lot in it about India ... that does not concern us in the West. ... So my dearest friend said said.

Thank you for more questions ... While i do my research something for you to read.

For a rainy day ...

• http://www.thymos.com/science/freewill.html
  http://www.thymos.com/tat/self.html
  http://www.thymos.com/know/history.html

I'll get back with more ... Tree and Karma.

[jannisder]

INDOSUCHUS, [

Indosuchus (meaning "Indian crocodile")was a theropod dinosaur from the late Cretaceous period, roughly 70 to 65 million years ago. This bipedal meat-eater had many serrated teeth and a narrow, crested skull with a flattened roof. It may have been up to 20 feet (6 m) long. It is known from a fragmentary skull found in India by Charles Matley. It was related to, but smaller and more primitive than, Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus rex. Indosuchus was named by paleontologists von Huene and Matley in 1933. The type species is I. raptorius.

[jannisder]

My notes from the course ...

Because I do not want to look at him all the time, I am just writhing along ... Here is a full report.

... We speeded up the course, too slow at once's a week, now we do twice times a week. Don't look at him to much ... He might see my doubts and see were I am up to talking on the forum. But then, is he is a BK following the rule's he has to do everything to get me in, so I have no worry.

I feel very a healthy pressure, sitting here with him just in front of me, if I reach out I could touch him ... I am writhing what I write to avoid any eye contact. Although being hooked on his Dristhi, this is easy. He must be nervous, just the day before I started to ask questions that I got from the forum ... I am not going to criticism him in class, I'll be a good student, with good intentions and shall not ask any questions. (We have nothing to think about anyway (DJ)). For a few moments he is out of the room to prepare ...

... We start with a meditation.

The Cycle ... What do you remember being a child? Were you not scared in the dark? And how you wondered how long it would take before the sun came up ... it took so long before it was light again. That is the first consciousness of a cycle. When we get older something changes. Cycle of eating ... breakfast, lunch, dinner and the cycle of the seasons. In wintertime people often are more depressed and when summer comes they feel better.

The cycle is a circle that means it is eternal and something happens in the circle also like seasons. There is the Golden Age. You can call it heaven, or Atlantis. Paradise. Don't have to work and there is enough of everything for every soul. Nature gave us all we needed. We live up to 150 years and at 75 our first child is born. All souls from the Golden Age were perfect. There was no ego, no desire and no attachment.

And we all knew that we were souls in a body. Eight time's souls hopped over to an other body and along the way we got more body conscious and the "battery" gets empty. We then loose 2 grades in purity.

Than we come in the Silver Age. Where we are even more body conscious. We call that deity which is a perfect form. We don't have any karmic attachment, but that starts growing in the Silver Age. We loose ore purity. Also the earth loose purity as you can see in all disasters like a tsunami. In the Silver Age thing were not written down in documents, there was no need. Later they wrote about the wars.

Then we enter the Copper Age. At this point we forgot that we are souls, and lost ore way home to the Father and surge for religion. We are selfish, greedy

Iron age. Iron rusts and slowly vanish. We are Shudra the lowest and beggars.

At 5 to 12 on the cycle we have the diamond age. The time were you can end you're body consciousness. This is the time the Shiva comes, the Supreme Soul and tells us that we are souls, but that we forgot.

And all the cycle is going to repeat itself, and everything that happens, happens again and has to be. During the cycle ore souls are protected to forget all of this. If you are deity first and you would know that you will be a beggar the next age, you won't be happy.

I am about to shake my head and I want to leave, I have to hold on to my chair"!

He continues ... Can a soul with sanskars come into the Golden Age? Yes....but you can't do it alone! All souls that come into the Silver Age go to the Golden Age. Souls in their first birth are surging for home and that is why you are here tonight. To get the knowledge. It is almost time. Pres. Bush is collecting his weapons And see what is happening to Mother Earth ... The Cycle takes 5000 years. To make a long long story short ...

[proy]

My notes from the course ...

Thank you for these. They are very interesting. Please keep on posting your notes. Many of us have not done the course for a long time, and it changes. Also every teacher puts their own spin on it. It is fascinating to see the way he is teaching the course.

[jannisder]

Maybe some soul can give me some more Dristhi information. How it works and what if i can stare better ... An eye to eye competion?

What if i am the "winner"?